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VanceIX said:
amak11 said:
The problem when people bring up this argument, they think "it cost this much to upgrade". They don't think the average consumer knows nothing about gaming PCs. The initial investment is significantly more expensive than a console. But the pay-offs are only higher graphical fidelity and a higher frame rate.

So cheaper games, all 7 generation worth of games, mods, and free online are nothing now?

This value proposition you keep bringing up. The world doesnt work that way. Its just like when people were saying "hey for $600 you don't just get a PS3 you get the worlds cheapest blu-ray player and free online multiplayer and this or that"

People DO NOT CARE. The primary thing that the avrage consumer cares about it the sticker price. The cost of entry. Not some proverbial you save this or that much over this or that much number of years. Its like electric cars. You buy an electric for $30k today you get tax incentives of as much as $7500 on that purchase. Then you also save as much as $1k every year on gas (or lack of it so to speak). Yet you don't see them flying off the lot, cause they are still "too expensive" for the average consumer. Yes, you save more in the long run with PC gaming, but people just don't care about that. Especially when you consider that "people" here are basically the kinda people that will buy no more than 4-6 games per year and most of those games will be CoD, Madden and/or FIFA. 

Jizz_Beard_thePirate said:

Well, if you want equalivent, I say right now, you can get a PC for $800 that will give u either exact performance as the ps4 at minimum or more in certain cases. You can also get a PC thats for $600 right now that is also the exact performance as a ps4 but its too much in the borderline imo, if you pay $800, its a guarantee. But if you want to buy one in winter 2015. it will cost you $600 at most to get a PC that has the same performance as a ps4. Now, I say at most because getting a PC in winter 2015 is a really great time to get on and the reason is that DDR4 should be coming out in 2015 and what that will do is make all the DDR3 memory dirt cheap. And on top of that, a proper intel refresh as well as nvidia/amd gpu refresh should get the costs down in their last generation cards by a lot! So, if you do decide to wait (which I recommend) and get a in winter 2015. You will be saving a lotttt of money while having the same if not better performance than a ps4 in third party games

I think what most people forget or ignore, is that in winter 2015, a PS4 could very well cost $300 and not $400 anymore. The alternative to all this would be to say if trying to build a PC then just buy used parts. But thats a completely different can of worms. Cause we are still talking about a brand new console here.

So the overarching argument remains, is it worth it to the average non tech savvy plug and play consumer, to eat that higher cost of entry for a PC or to just go and pick up an ever price dropping console. Cause I know that no matter how much its spun, there is a minimum amount of money that you must spend if building a PC. Right now, at $400 its not possible to build a PC that will match or outperform a PS4, but this can be excused since PCs do infinately more than consoles so it will be justifiable to give PCs a $400 "value markup" so lets say a comparable PC gamers budget to PS4 is $800. I arrived at this cause with $800, a consumer can pick up a very decent 13" laptop for $400 and a PS4 for $400. So if you want an all in one device then you should be wiling to spend at $800. This becomes harder to swallow as the cost of a PS4 drops, even if you also drop the "value markup" in accordance.