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Dr.Henry_Killinger on 19 June 2014
CommonNinja said:

It really depends on how long this console generation last.  Right now though, X1 is on track to match the X360's sales from last generation.

Actually right now it is about !M ahead where the 360 was at same time in its first year.

People try and compair the X1 to the PS4 to show why its "doing so bad".  But the reality is that if you look at the Xbox One in a bubble, it is doing very healthy sales wise.  The XB 360 sold about 5.9M in its first full year (November-November), and curently Xbox One is on track to do the same if not better.

Now if you are tring to say that the Xbox One will never match/catch the PS4 in sales globably, then I think thats an easy prediction as not even the 360 was able to do that to the PS3 globally.  If you are just talking about NA though, I think you are underestimationg how strong the Xbox brand is in NA.  

At price parity it will most likely sell about the same as PS4, but if they undercut the PS4 (I think they will) then I think they will outsell them in NA.

XB has no brand superiority in the NA. NA is not a brand loyal region.

This is NA only.

At Best the 399$ XB1 will outsell the PS4 for a month and baseline at about a less than the PS4.

Realistically, the 399 XB1 will launch outselling the PS4, but more or less equal PS4 for the month and baseline lower than PS4.

At worst, it won't matter at all.

360's year lead gave it a multiplat and popularity lead as well, conversely, XB1 has none of that and at price parity it has no ways to compete with the PS4 except maybe XBL, which is heavily underfire by PS+.



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Nintentacle on 19 June 2014

Most people already think that XBO won't do what you said in the title, so I don't see the point of making this thread.



Mr Puggsly on 19 June 2014
BeElite said:
Mr Puggsly said:
BeElite said:

No its not doing well.  In no business in no makret is your competitor outselling you 3-1 for the year called doing well.

It would be spun or sony as a whole Sony would be PS and a few other products.  

The PSP sold significantly less than the DS but still considered a sucess.

Why can't the X1 do the same? A product doesn't need to be #1 to be worthwhile.

Now if X1 had the potential of Vita... it would be worth considering ending production.

Cause X1 is a way inferior PS4, everything it did different then PS4 MS has now Cut.  

X1 is near vita level of failure.  

 

So you're just going to ignore PSP did very well even though it sold significantly less than DS? Hmmmm....

 

X1 is near Vita level of failure?

Are you aware Vita has been around for over 2 years and still at 8 million. You expect that kind of failure for X1?

Is X1 gonna have abysmal support as well?



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Mr Puggsly on 19 June 2014
aikohualda said:
Mr Puggsly said:

The PSP sold significantly less than the DS but still considered a sucess.

Why can't the X1 do the same? A product doesn't need to be #1 to be worthwhile.

Now if X1 had the potential of Vita... it would be worth considering ending production.


how much did psp sold??????? fuck even 3ds numbers doesnt look like it will reach psp level in it's lifetime

I think 3DS will sell over 80 million units. The Vita though...



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BeElite on 19 June 2014
Mr Puggsly said:
BeElite said:
Mr Puggsly said:
BeElite said:

No its not doing well.  In no business in no makret is your competitor outselling you 3-1 for the year called doing well.

It would be spun or sony as a whole Sony would be PS and a few other products.  

The PSP sold significantly less than the DS but still considered a sucess.

Why can't the X1 do the same? A product doesn't need to be #1 to be worthwhile.

Now if X1 had the potential of Vita... it would be worth considering ending production.

Cause X1 is a way inferior PS4, everything it did different then PS4 MS has now Cut.  

X1 is near vita level of failure.  

 

So you're just going to ignore PSP did very well even though it sold significantly less than DS? Hmmmm....

 

X1 is near Vita level of failure?

Are you aware Vita has been around for over 2 years and still at 8 million. You expect that kind of failure for X1?

Is X1 gonna have abysmal support as well?

I dont care about handhelds.  Psps success or failure means nothing to me.  Or this thread.

Given its Low sales and if they continue.  Support will dry up.  

Have handhelds ever out sold consoles?  X1 doing better then vita says little.



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cusman on 19 June 2014

I think you are right. They launched it wrong, they messaged it wrong, they burned some consumer interest, and to top it off, Sony managed to do everything right.

That said, MS has made some serious repairs since launch, and continues to make the right moves, and Sony is actually fumbling some of that positive momentum they have.

Sure Sony has the better game machine, but if MS has more games, and Sony has long dry spells on the exclusive side and too much indie, and not enough AAA 1st party, would the 3rd party software alone continue to be enough?

The reason that PS3 eventually caught up to X360 was because of the AAA 1st party efforts. The X360 had that clear 3rd party advantage early on. Now it seems the roles are reversed.

I think its anyone's game right now, and as they big two compete, the gamers will continue to be the real winners.



Mr Puggsly on 19 June 2014
BeElite said:

I dont care about handhelds.  Psps success or failure means nothing to me.  Or this thread.

Given its Low sales and if they continue.  Support will dry up.  

Have handhelds ever out sold consoles?  X1 doing better then vita says little.

Sony cares/cared about handhelds, the PSP was very successful even though it sold significantly less than DS. The Vita's failure means the Playstation brand lost a revenue stream.

As long as the X1 continues to sell a significant amount of software support will continue. It already has multiple million sellers with its tiny userbase.

Have handhelds ever out sold consoles? Yeah.



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Mr Puggsly on 19 June 2014
BeElite said:
Mr Puggsly said:

I'm not implying X1 has PS4 demand and it doesn't need it to sell as many units as the 360.

How does a product sale great where there is no demend for it.

Kudos to MS. They managed to sell 4.6 million $499 Xbox One units inspite of "no demand."



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Aura7541 on 19 June 2014
Mr Puggsly said:
BeElite said:
Mr Puggsly said:

I'm not implying X1 has PS4 demand and it doesn't need it to sell as many units as the 360.

How does a product sale great where there is no demend for it.

Kudos to MS. They managed to sell 4.6 million $499 Xbox One units inspite of "no demand."

In which the majority of those sales were incredibly front loaded to the X1's first quarter. Its sales are really inconsistent.



Sagemode87 on 19 June 2014
cusman said:
I think you are right. They launched it wrong, they messaged it wrong, they burned some consumer interest, and to top it off, Sony managed to do everything right.

That said, MS has made some serious repairs since launch, and continues to make the right moves, and Sony is actually fumbling some of that positive momentum they have.

Sure Sony has the better game machine, but if MS has more games, and Sony has long dry spells on the exclusive side and too much indie, and not enough AAA 1st party, would the 3rd party software alone continue to be enough?

The reason that PS3 eventually caught up to X360 was because of the AAA 1st party efforts. The X360 had that clear 3rd party advantage early on. Now it seems the roles are reversed.

I think its anyone's game right now, and as they big two compete, the gamers will continue to be the real winners.


The narrative that PS4 doesn't have exclusives is made up completely. Killzone, Infamous, DriveClub, Knack, Little Big Planet 3, BloodBorne, Let It Die, The Order, MLB, and last but not least Uncharted 4. They have as much AAA coming as Xbox One, not to mention far more indie and free to play games. MS and their fans just created the narrative because PS4 didn't have the best launch games. 6 months made a difference whether you recognize that or not.