All of the systems currently are under gamecube levels. 

The legs is what matters so we will see if MK8 can sell enough (Which it probably will)

Getting these few special gamers is the only logical conclusion. One of the reasons i brought it up was that they could cut some of Aonuma's puzzle making staff and allocate that money towards my belowed 2D Mario.

Am just waiting for Pavolink's threads when Zelda U eventually doesn't even push sales closer to Skyward Sword.

There was nothing wrong with New Super Mario Bros U, Infact it was probably the only software that drove sales and it's the Wii U's best-selling game so far with over 4 million copies sold. Clearly the lesson was is that they needed more software earlier. Nintendo said themselves they had games that were supposed to be at launch and didn't manage to happen. At the end of the day they brought out software that drove sales and they are managing to get back on their feet.

I'm always making this point and people are always getting mad at me about it. Nintendo isn't selling much because people want games that are grand and exciting, that couldn't be done on last-gen hardware. But most of their games so far have been stuff that's largely possible on the 3DS. "It doesn't matter if the game is fun!" is always what people say, but that's crap. It can't just be fun, it's got to be exciting, like MK8. If being fun was the only thing that mattered, NSMBU would have sold like crazy, and all of these 2D platformers the Wii U is getting would be selling the system.

And yet, after the success of MK8, they show off a 2D Yoshi game and a 2D Kirby game. Yeah, I'm sure they'll be "fun," just like NSMBU was "fun," but I don't understand why they think they're going to sell systems with these games. We got more grand spectacle back on the N64. Literally three whole generations ago we were getting games that were bigger and more stimulating.

I think you will find the use of your word dead to be incompatible in this instance. i.e You may say the Sage Megadrive/Genesis is dead, the Wii is almost dead or the PS2 is dead and will see no more games or future life. If you disagree please see the definition of "Dead" below. Even financially, the definition is incorrect, as the system still makes money, just not enough to make a profit. To be dead of money means to not be financially productive. In this case, their is still financial production.

NSMBU lacked in multiplayer competitiveness whereas MK8 does not. I don't remember feeling the want to bash the shit out of someone in NSMBU like I have in MK8. The menu is even lackluster. MK8 would also prosper from a career/adventure mode like crash team racing had.

Just wondering what you think of Wii. Most of the games could be done on Gamecube as far as power is concerned. Also what would you classify as games which are "grand and exciting" from past and the ones they can make in near future?

I promise i won't get mad at you even though you seem a fan of N64. 

I kind of agree with you. The art style of NSMB isn't all that exciting, but on the other hand it came out in the wrong year as well. They should have released that game the second year, and put some ambitions in to it

At this point, I expect Mario Kart 8 sales to be far more front-loaded than NSMBU. The latter was constrained by the install base to a much great degree than the former.