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Which is more impressive?

Mario Kart 8, obviously. 336 62.92%
 
WATCHDOGS FTW! GO UBISOFT! 126 23.60%
 
You made this soooooo bad :P 27 5.06%
 
Can't decide. 43 8.05%
 
Total:532

For me it is Watch Dogs.

Going into both releases Watch Dogs felt to me to have some head winds (delay, graphics) while Mario Kart 8 seemed set up for success being the Wii U release of the first half of 2014. Looking back I though 6 million was a tricky number for Watch Dogs, now seems easy to cruise past.



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As this thread has demonstrated, it seems impossible to say for sure which is the more impressive, there are far too many different factors at hand.

Watch Dogs has set a new industry sales record for launch of a new IP. That, to me, is impressive. MK8 has sold 1.2 million in its first weekend on a single console that has a user base of 6 million. To me, that is equally impressive.

Both have shifted consoles; it could be argued that MK8 shifting WiiU consoles was a more difficult task, but then MK8 has the weight of a huge franchise behind it.

4 million over several consoles in a week versus 1.2 million on one console on launches staggered over 4 days can't be compared - it's apples and oranges. Likewise, the current attach rates can't be compared yet, because of Watch Dogs's head-start.

I think a few months are needed before I could say for sure which impressed me more.







DevilRising said:
Considering that WD is multiplatform, on platforms that have FAR, far higher instal bases than Wii U? And MK8 is only on Wii U, with a still relatively small install base? The answer is yes: MK8's numbers are, in point of fact, more impressive. There really isn't much of an argument to be had on that.



Isn't much argument? A lot of people expected Mario Kart 8 being one of a very few games only possible to help sale the Wii U. Its installed base didn't matter with that into account. Mario Kart is more popular than franchises like Metroid and Zelda and sold millions. How many millions or how popular was Watch Dogs with its history? Zero on both accounts.

Being impressed with Mario Kart 8 is saying they are impressed that one of Nintendo's most successful franchises of all time. How much sense does that make. A great game with a great history sold well. Its like underestimating the popularity of Nintendo's games.



Most of this debate is going to come down into the fans of both games arguing for whichever one they own, or against competing consoles, unfortunately. I wanted Watch Dogs initially, and considered buying on the PC, until I saw how buggy the PC release was.



Dusk said:

As far as you assume. Dude, much of this is analytical and based on assumption therefor it's all a general guess. That is why many of the numbers don't add up to the same if you check different sources. This is why it's so common to have things over tracked or under tracked. 

Again, we don't know this in entirty. Some might be taking numbers from the exact day to be submitted especially since it is from so many different sources, meaning all the different retailers, which only some actually submit and others don't. 

Anyway... This is very far from the original conversation...

It is a much bigger assumption to say that VGC/MC/Famitsu/etc end their weeks at random times for each week, considering that isn't a remotely logical way to display weekly numbers.  VGC data is so often under/overtracked because the methodology is poor, they have relatively little actual retail data.  They don't have systems selling more than they shipped because they decided to end a tracking week at 10:28 am.  If for some reason Media Create didn't get data from a certain retailer one week they would estimate it using their past data for that retailer as well as the current data from others.  They wouldn't just leave that retailer's portion out of the numbers.

As far as our original discussion it is pretty much still on point.  Your first post was about the number of days, and the post of mine you quoted was about the number of days.  I'm not sure why you are forumalting all these theories rather than just saying Mario Kart had 4 days in Japan.



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Keegs79 said:
DevilRising said:
Considering that WD is multiplatform, on platforms that have FAR, far higher instal bases than Wii U? And MK8 is only on Wii U, with a still relatively small install base? The answer is yes: MK8's numbers are, in point of fact, more impressive. There really isn't much of an argument to be had on that.



Isn't much argument? A lot of people expected Mario Kart 8 being one of a very few games only possible to help sale the Wii U. Its installed base didn't matter with that into account. Mario Kart is more popular than franchises like Metroid and Zelda and sold millions. How many millions or how popular was Watch Dogs with its history? Zero on both accounts.

Being impressed with Mario Kart 8 is saying they are impressed that one of Nintendo's most successful franchises of all time. How much sense does that make. A great game with a great history sold well. Its like underestimating the popularity of Nintendo's games.

So Wii Sports Club should sell 30 million units? Or 3D World close to 5 million? Or Tropical Freeze around 4 million? And I'm being nice, they're predecessors sold much more than that!

That's why I'm more impressed by Mario Kart 8. It has been proven time and time again that amazing games on th Wii U sell BAD! But MK proved us all wrong!

And don't tell me that you were expecting low sales from WatchDogs. Sure, not 4 million (those are CoD numbers, DAMN!), but it was going to sell incredibly well no matter what.



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Anything can seem successful when given lots of hype and advertising money all over tv/busses/trains/cinema etc.. look at the kinect it was once called the best selling given the 500 million advertising backing. err lol

For those saying WD is more successful how about first one to the bargain bin loses?



 

Dont own either game, but everything points towards Watch Dogs being the most impressive for the PS4 numbers alone.



                            

Dusk said:
Lawlight said:
1.2M shipped vs 4M sold. Which one is more impressive?


I have to laugh. What makes you think that Nintendo saying "more than 1.2 sales worldwide" is less reputable than Ubisoft saying "with more than 4 million sold". As far as numbers go, certainly WD is very impressive, but for the Wii U and MK8 it is very impressive in its own right for what it is.

This comparison is crazy as it is always going to end up falling to a someones personal preference. However, taking one companies statement as more legit over another that is very similar is also crazy. 

Because Ubisoft said sold through.



Lawlight said:
Dusk said:
Lawlight said:
1.2M shipped vs 4M sold. Which one is more impressive?


I have to laugh. What makes you think that Nintendo saying "more than 1.2 sales worldwide" is less reputable than Ubisoft saying "with more than 4 million sold". As far as numbers go, certainly WD is very impressive, but for the Wii U and MK8 it is very impressive in its own right for what it is.

This comparison is crazy as it is always going to end up falling to a someones personal preference. However, taking one companies statement as more legit over another that is very similar is also crazy. 

Because Ubisoft said sold through.



MK8 is sold through as well. Besides both did outstanding.. OT: Why are we comparing these two when both did very well and broke expectations? If i had to choose it be Watchdogs cuz of the fact its a new IP