By using this site, you agree to our Privacy Policy and our Terms of Use. Close

Forums - Microsoft - why are people against having a kinnect free xboxone?

oniyide on 21 May 2014

ive noticed people say that now it has no advantages and nothing to differiante itself. It is currently in 3rd place and getting its butt kicked by PS4 it HAD no advantages.



Around the Network
J_Allard on 21 May 2014

lol, who is selling the Xbone with Kinect for $330? Or is this that deal Target was running and you're just taking the $120 MSRP of XBLG/Titanfall off the price? Because economics doesn't really work that way.



Dr.Henry_Killinger on 21 May 2014
Landguy said:
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:

 

The only reason I have yet to and will never blow this out of proportion because I realized the futility of the endeavor. Even if I was able to convince the entire site of my opinion, there would be a greater chance of the XB1 being discounted then the Kinectless SKU being replaced with a 399 Kinect Bundled XB1(At least until price cut, by then the damage will be done)

However, the contrary argument that its a purely good thing is not sufficent enough for me to reconsider.

And I do disagree with the claim that A) the only people that would disagree with it have already purchased XB1's (I have not yet purchased the system) and B)the only people that would disagree with it want the console to fail.

When DJEVOLVE claimed that MS would drop the SKU's price to 399 before making the Kinect Optional, I agreed with him, because that's not only competing on price, but value as well. Since, they decided to take the easier route, my belief that MS isn't willing to invest as much in the platform and that the XB fanbase doesn't hold Xbox at the same scruntity that Sony or Nintendo is held at are both reconfirmed.

You are looking at the immediate number of $399 without Kinect and assuming that it is static.  Now that M$ has removed the Kinect, they can drop the price of the Kinectless Sku even further with pack ins and retailer promotions.  Because there was a significant portion of buyers that had no interest in the Kinect, dropping the price to $399 for the Kinect included XB1 didn't make that system more appealing.  If they don't like it or want it, the price wasn't the problem for them.  For those people, they will look for one of those deals on the Kinectless Sku and make the purchase.  Even though we all know that M$'s claim that they did this to provide consumers with more choices was PR speak, that doesn't change the fact that it was essentially true for a portion of its potential buyers.  Some people just didn't want Kinect and wouldn't buy a sku with it in there. 

And how do you know whether or not those consumers true issue was with the Kinect or with the price gap? With this "solution" they've created just as many problems. Now the Kinect Base will be fractured irreperably, the XB1 loses one of its few distingushing factors against the PS4, and hopes to compete against it with a much worse hand.

Dropping the price with Kinect included would incur losses and could sell worse then the kinectless bundle of the same price in the interim, however price is dynamic, manfacturing costs for this gen will drop faster then ever before, but now the kinect base will always be fractured, there won't be an incentive to develop for it, and without software, there won't be incentive to buy it, and ultimately the XBO loses another ace.



In this day and age, with the Internet, ignorance is a choice! And they're still choosing Ignorance! - Dr. Filthy Frank

Dr.Henry_Killinger on 21 May 2014
oniyide said:
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
It never fails to surprise me how little people actually read in threads instead posting their opinions and learning nothing from others.

MS's poor support of the K2.0 created a false equivalency between it and the 100$ price gap. Removal of the device is only a temporary solution, realistically the XB1 can only compete against the PS4 on the matter of preferences. A battle its already practically lost, even if it had the mutiplat advantage, which it doesn't.

maybe im off base here but it seems to me that you actually believe that Kinect was intergral to Xbone experience PR BS and thats where your frustrations lie?

I've never believed anything MS has ever said, or practically any other company in general.

My issue is that people don't realize the concept of short term gain, long term loss.



In this day and age, with the Internet, ignorance is a choice! And they're still choosing Ignorance! - Dr. Filthy Frank

Dr.Henry_Killinger on 21 May 2014
oniyide said:
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:

Since, they decided to take the easier route, my belief that MS isn't willing to invest as much in the platform and that the XB fanbase doesn't hold Xbox at the same scruntity that Sony or Nintendo is held at are both reconfirmed.

no all it means is that MS is not willing ot go into the red to fight Sony

While those two arguments are for the most part the same thing.

I highly doubt subsidizing the Kinect would put MS in the red, especially considering the long term payoff. Manufacturing fees would eliminate subsequent loss before any real damage occured anyway.



In this day and age, with the Internet, ignorance is a choice! And they're still choosing Ignorance! - Dr. Filthy Frank

Around the Network
AZWification on 21 May 2014
d21lewis said:
Funny thing. My sister came over on Monday and asked "What new thing do you have"? I took her and showed her the Kinect on Xbox One. I don't know what the fuck happened. Virtually none of the voice commands worked! Crazy since it worked almost flawlessly before. I was looking like an idiot yelling "Xbox, On" (before finally using the controller), "Xbox, Watch TV", "Xbox, what's on Nickelodeon". So embarrassing.....I guess it was shy. Now, it works again.

Does laughing at your post make me a douche?



                
       ---Member of the official Squeezol Fanclub---

TheJimbo1234 on 21 May 2014
oldschoolfool said:

I don't get why people are against having a kinnect free xboxone. they should have made it an option in the first place. I believe this is a very smart move on microsoft's part. I believe because of this,sales will increase a great deal. Price was the only thing holding the xboxone back and now that's no longer a problem. This is exactly what I wanted. I was wanting to get an xboxone at the end of the year,but now I might get one a bit sooner. I believe the kinnect is nothing more then a gimmick,but the option is till there,if you want one. So,it's a win,win for everybody in my book. P.S. I'm old  and don't care that my grammar sucks!!!!!!


Because you now just have a console which is ~35% less powerful than the PS4 for the same price.

How is that not a problem?!



oniyide on 21 May 2014
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
oniyide said:
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
It never fails to surprise me how little people actually read in threads instead posting their opinions and learning nothing from others.

MS's poor support of the K2.0 created a false equivalency between it and the 100$ price gap. Removal of the device is only a temporary solution, realistically the XB1 can only compete against the PS4 on the matter of preferences. A battle its already practically lost, even if it had the mutiplat advantage, which it doesn't.

maybe im off base here but it seems to me that you actually believe that Kinect was intergral to Xbone experience PR BS and thats where your frustrations lie?

I've never believed anything MS has ever said, or practically any other company in general.

My issue is that people don't realize the concept of short term gain, long term loss.

right now MS is getting whupped. I assume they can worry about long term when they can get their system selling where they want it too.



oniyide on 21 May 2014
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
oniyide said:
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:

Since, they decided to take the easier route, my belief that MS isn't willing to invest as much in the platform and that the XB fanbase doesn't hold Xbox at the same scruntity that Sony or Nintendo is held at are both reconfirmed.

no all it means is that MS is not willing ot go into the red to fight Sony

While those two arguments are for the most part the same thing.

I highly doubt subsidizing the Kinect would put MS in the red, especially considering the long term payoff. Manufacturing fees would eliminate subsequent loss before any real damage occured anyway.


im sorry but do you work for MS? how do you know for sure? Im going by actions, and the fact that they are selling xone without Kinect to get it down to 400 says that the Kinect was costing them a good chunk of change to manufacture. or at least had the sold it for 400 with kinect they would be taking a loss. MS does NOT want to take a loss. Now whether you believe this is the right move or not is irrelevant since we arent the decision makers.



Mystro-Sama on 21 May 2014

Who is against it? O.o