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Zappykins said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Microsoft wasnt the first to bring a proper camera recognition device to gaming, Sony was. Neither the Move nor the Kinect are needed. They are optional devices that should be allowed be used if the people want them. If Microsoft wants people to use the Kinect, maybe they should (themselves) make compelling games and stop waiting for third party to prove the value of the product for them. This has always been Microsofts problem. They try to get people to believe in things that dont exist. They create hype where there is none.

Please, let's not give Sony credit for something it doesn't deserve.  Capture devices on consoles were out years before Sony even came out with the original Play Station. 

 

Controller free gaming was first done on the PS2 I think, the Kinect is just an improved version

Microsoft couldnt even come up with an original name with the Kinect when it launched on the Xbox 360, they stole it from a PS2 line of hands free camera controlled games 



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GProgrammer said:
Zappykins said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Microsoft wasnt the first to bring a proper camera recognition device to gaming, Sony was. Neither the Move nor the Kinect are needed. They are optional devices that should be allowed be used if the people want them. If Microsoft wants people to use the Kinect, maybe they should (themselves) make compelling games and stop waiting for third party to prove the value of the product for them. This has always been Microsofts problem. They try to get people to believe in things that dont exist. They create hype where there is none.

Please, let's not give Sony credit for something it doesn't deserve.  Capture devices on consoles were out years before Sony even came out with the original Play Station. 

 

Controller free gaming was first done on the PS2 I think, the Kinect is just an improved version

Microsoft couldnt even come up with an original name with the Kinect when it launched on the Xbox 360, they stole it from a PS2 line of hands free camera controlled games 



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Zappykins said:
veritaz said:
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:

The hypocrisy in this rant is extremely prevalent.

Worse, is the fact that your "despair" of the Kinect being unbundled is evident of your complete and utter disregard for the potential of the device.

If the Kinect was truly as innovative and revolutionary as you claim then it would not need to be bundled in and it would have the abiity to stand on its own legs rather than a tagalong for MS's current gen console.

If the Kinect was truly as game changing as you claim, Developers wouldn't need it to be forced on the consumers to include its features.

This thread disgust me to my core.

Glad I'm not the only one. 

Well, they didn't have any good games at launch, but that doesn't mean they should abandon it. 

How is it abandoned? Did they discontinue it out of spite?



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GProgrammer said:
Zappykins said:
 

Please, let's not give Sony credit for something it doesn't deserve.  Capture devices on consoles were out years before Sony even came out with the original Play Station.

Controller free gaming was first done on the PS2 I think, the Kinect is just an improved version

Microsoft couldnt even come up with an original name with the Kinect when it launched on the Xbox 360, they stole it from a PS2 line of hands free camera controlled games

Nope, controller free gaming was first done by Sega!  It was for the Sega Genesis and called the Sega Activator. 

 



 

Really not sure I see any point of Consol over PC's since Kinect, Wii and other alternative ways to play have been abandoned. 

Top 50 'most fun' game list coming soon!

 

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Machiavellian said:
Before we start the death march for Kinect, I guess we should wait to see how things shake out. I am sure sales will pick up for the X1 without Kinect but the question will be how many sales will MS have with Kinect. Maybe MS will continue the 450 with a game and Kinect and have the Non - Kinect as the low cost entry SKU.

This way MS can still keep a high value options and a low value options while still not abandoning Kinect as a integral part of their strategy. My take is that the X1 is much less interesting a device without Kinect but then again I also expect MS to make the inclusion of Kinect worth the price. Right now, anyone can make a very convincing case for not having Kinect which is a problem for MS. I feel that MS has had a year to get their message on the advantage of the device so its now time for them to execute. Hopefully MS will have something to show at E3.

True, we shall have to see what happens at E3. 

The thing is, many people who HATED Kinect, after they used on the X1 like it.  Some even use more powerful words.  It’s a great upgrade and adds convenience and value to the system.

There are always some that don't want it.  Some do not like to adapt to the new things.  There are people that stopped gaming because of the two thumb controller.  Heck even George RR Martin still writes his 'Game of Throne' books on a early 90's DOS computer! 

I think it also shows they released it too early.  They should have waited for the DDR4 memory - which is always in their plans, and DriectX12 to be finalized. I don't how significantly it would change anything.



 

Really not sure I see any point of Consol over PC's since Kinect, Wii and other alternative ways to play have been abandoned. 

Top 50 'most fun' game list coming soon!

 

Tell me a funny joke!

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Figgycal said:

Kinect is a camera or webcam with a name. There is nothing innovative about it. It didn't spark a revolution in the way we played games. It didn't spawn hundreds of imitation Kinects. It just was.

Why did Microsoft make the Kinect in the first place? To capitalize on that motion control craze that Nintendo created. And in that regard, the Wii was actually innovative. Motion controls from Sony and Microsoft were a direct result of the gaming market that Nintendo tapped into and built up. The Kinect was a byproduct of Nintendo's motion control technology and it has been rejected by the market.

The Kinect did not leave a meaningful impact and thus is not an innovation.


Sony innovated where that is concerned. Microsoft just purchased the a more powerful version of the same product half a decade later and capitalized on the hype. 

Sony created a TV that two people can play games on with 3D glasses and still has recieved little to no praise when the thing works like a glove. They live to Innovate no different than Nintendo. 

Microsoft takes other peoples left overs. Thats all they do.



Zappykins said:
veritaz said:
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:

The hypocrisy in this rant is extremely prevalent.

Worse, is the fact that your "despair" of the Kinect being unbundled is evident of your complete and utter disregard for the potential of the device.

If the Kinect was truly as innovative and revolutionary as you claim then it would not need to be bundled in and it would have the abiity to stand on its own legs rather than a tagalong for MS's current gen console.

If the Kinect was truly as game changing as you claim, Developers wouldn't need it to be forced on the consumers to include its features.

This thread disgust me to my core.

Glad I'm not the only one. 

Well, they didn't have any good games at launch, but that doesn't mean they should abandon it. 


Thats also not a reason to force bundle it on the consumer and tell them what they want rather than letting them make decisions for themself. Microsoft knew Kinect wasnt going to sell like last gen so they force bundled it as i've been saying for seven months now.



S.T.A.G.E. said:
Figgycal said:

Kinect is a camera or webcam with a name. There is nothing innovative about it. It didn't spark a revolution in the way we played games. It didn't spawn hundreds of imitation Kinects. It just was.

Why did Microsoft make the Kinect in the first place? To capitalize on that motion control craze that Nintendo created. And in that regard, the Wii was actually innovative. Motion controls from Sony and Microsoft were a direct result of the gaming market that Nintendo tapped into and built up. The Kinect was a byproduct of Nintendo's motion control technology and it has been rejected by the market.

The Kinect did not leave a meaningful impact and thus is not an innovation.


Sony innovated where that is concerned. Microsoft just purchased the a more powerful version of the same product half a decade later and capitalized on the hype. 

Sony created a TV that two people can play games on with 3D glasses and still has recieved little to no praise when the thing works like a glove. They live to Innovate no different than Nintendo. 

Microsoft takes other peoples left overs. Thats all they do.

 

Sometimes I really wonder if you even believe the stuff you type. But there are peopl that would say: 'The Good King Geofrey Baratheon the finest man to ever walk the Gods geen Earth."

There was hype for the PlayStation Eye?  Really?  Like where? 

The TV thing where two people can play was a cool idea, but they came out with an expensive small 720p TV.  It was a nice idea, but too late and not good enough quality.  Course, they were ripping off coop play from the old Pong, but I'd let it slide.

Look at how Bill Gates was pushing 'The Slate' computer years and years before the ipad.  I think you have it wrong.  Microsoft creates a whole bunch of innovation.  Then sometimes, they just walk away from it. 



 

Really not sure I see any point of Consol over PC's since Kinect, Wii and other alternative ways to play have been abandoned. 

Top 50 'most fun' game list coming soon!

 

Tell me a funny joke!

Zappykins said:

There was hype for the PlayStation Eye?  Really?  Like where? 

Japan



In this day and age, with the Internet, ignorance is a choice! And they're still choosing Ignorance! - Dr. Filthy Frank

Zappykins said:

The thing is, many people who HATED Kinect, after they used on the X1 like it.  Some even use more powerful words.  It’s a great upgrade and adds convenience and value to the system.

There are always some that don't want it.  Some do not like to adapt to the new things.  There are people that stopped gaming because of the two thumb controller.  Heck even George RR Martin still writes his 'Game of Throne' books on a early 90's DOS computer! 

I think it also shows they released it too early.  They should have waited for the DDR4 memory - which is always in their plans, and DriectX12 to be finalized. I don't how significantly it would change anything.

 

You have a very loose definition on the word "New".



In this day and age, with the Internet, ignorance is a choice! And they're still choosing Ignorance! - Dr. Filthy Frank