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S.T.A.G.E. on 15 May 2014
Zappykins said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Figgycal said:

Kinect is a camera or webcam with a name. There is nothing innovative about it. It didn't spark a revolution in the way we played games. It didn't spawn hundreds of imitation Kinects. It just was.

Why did Microsoft make the Kinect in the first place? To capitalize on that motion control craze that Nintendo created. And in that regard, the Wii was actually innovative. Motion controls from Sony and Microsoft were a direct result of the gaming market that Nintendo tapped into and built up. The Kinect was a byproduct of Nintendo's motion control technology and it has been rejected by the market.

The Kinect did not leave a meaningful impact and thus is not an innovation.


Sony innovated where that is concerned. Microsoft just purchased the a more powerful version of the same product half a decade later and capitalized on the hype. 

Sony created a TV that two people can play games on with 3D glasses and still has recieved little to no praise when the thing works like a glove. They live to Innovate no different than Nintendo. 

Microsoft takes other peoples left overs. Thats all they do.

 

Sometimes I really wonder if you even believe the stuff you type. But there are peopl that would say: 'The Good King Geofrey Baratheon the finest man to ever walk the Gods geen Earth."

There was hype for the PlayStation Eye?  Really?  Like where? 

The TV thing where two people can play was a cool idea, but they came out with an expensive small 720p TV.  It was a nice idea, but too late and not good enough quality.  Course, they were ripping off coop play from the old Pong, but I'd let it slide.

Look at how Bill Gates was pushing 'The Slate' computer years and years before the ipad.  I think you have it wrong.  Microsoft creates a whole bunch of innovation.  Then sometimes, they just walk away from it. 

The slate never came to the market. 

My whole point about Sony was how they create regardless of hype and cannot be stopped. They dont need hype to innovate. The very definition of what it means to be a creative company. 

Microsoft hypes everything they regardless of whether they make it or not. Walking away from things is such an appropriate thing for Microsoft because they do that a lot.

Kinect is like Halo. it was a project that Microsoft bought mid creation and took credit for after buying the developer. Luckily for the developers they left MS before they sucked all the creativity out of them.



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binary solo on 15 May 2014

Kinect might have an actually useful innovation niche, but connected to a games console with very little market penetration potential it was never. Going to realise that dream. And the holy trail of people wanting to talk to their machines in a natural conversational way has not gone anywhere. It's just the next product to be put on the market should probably not lead with promoting itself as a video gaming product, but rather a labour saveing revolution.

In the grand scheme of things this is just a small footnote in the onward March of technology.



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Imaginedvl on 15 May 2014
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Microsoft wasnt the first to bring a proper camera recognition device to gaming, Sony was. Neither the Move nor the Kinect are needed. They are optional devices that should be allowed be used if the people want them. If Microsoft wants people to use the Kinect, maybe they should (themselves) make compelling games and stop waiting for third party to prove the value of the product for them. This has always been Microsofts problem. They try to get people to believe in things that dont exist. They create hype where there is none.

What the hell are you talking about ?

I had a camera on my PC playing volley ball games (with body rec.) way WAY WAY before Sony came out with a console...
Sony did not invent anything in that regards... Same for 3D TV etc...

They just (like Microsoft) jumped on the opportunity and incorporated it into their own product.



S.T.A.G.E. on 15 May 2014
Imaginedvl said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Microsoft wasnt the first to bring a proper camera recognition device to gaming, Sony was. Neither the Move nor the Kinect are needed. They are optional devices that should be allowed be used if the people want them. If Microsoft wants people to use the Kinect, maybe they should (themselves) make compelling games and stop waiting for third party to prove the value of the product for them. This has always been Microsofts problem. They try to get people to believe in things that dont exist. They create hype where there is none.

What the hell are you talking about ?

I had a camera on my PC playing volley ball games (with body rec.) way WAY WAY before Sony came out with a console...
Sony did not invent anything in that regards... Same for 3D TV etc...

They just (like Microsoft) jumped on the opportunity and incorporated it into their own product.

What was this camera recognition device you speak of? 

When i was talking about Sony's innovation with TV's I spoke of the full screen two player television.

Microsoft buys their shit from other people, just like they did Nokia and the Kinect. They arent Sony who will live and die by creation of hardware.



walsufnir on 16 May 2014
S.T.A.G.E. said:

Microsoft buys their shit from other people, just like they did Nokia and the Kinect. They arent Sony who will live and die by creation of hardware.


STAGE, your general attitude gets boring, really. As if Sony wouldn't have metoo-products. Especially MS was always more of a software-company with a rather small hardware division, Sony is the other way round. This does not automatically result in better products and/or hardware.

The times when people bought a product because there was "Sony" on it are over, it only works for PS4, currently. It doesn't even work for PSVita.

I always criticized them especially on their "creation" of proprietary solutions, by the way. Which is to me one of the big reasons why Vita is failing.



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Chiefstabahoe on 16 May 2014

I own an X1 and i hardly use...i never liked the kinect and i still don't like it....this innovation is the same thing that's holding the X1 back by being purchased by alot of gamers along with the price of the x1



Mowco on 16 May 2014

I've never liked the Kinect, bought one for my 360 and used it once. Don't know why I still own the thing should have sold it ages ago when it was still worth something.

The Xbox One being packaged with Kinect was a major reason I was never interested in buying a One.



Imaginedvl on 16 May 2014
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Imaginedvl said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Microsoft wasnt the first to bring a proper camera recognition device to gaming, Sony was. Neither the Move nor the Kinect are needed. They are optional devices that should be allowed be used if the people want them. If Microsoft wants people to use the Kinect, maybe they should (themselves) make compelling games and stop waiting for third party to prove the value of the product for them. This has always been Microsofts problem. They try to get people to believe in things that dont exist. They create hype where there is none.

What the hell are you talking about ?

I had a camera on my PC playing volley ball games (with body rec.) way WAY WAY before Sony came out with a console...
Sony did not invent anything in that regards... Same for 3D TV etc...

They just (like Microsoft) jumped on the opportunity and incorporated it into their own product.

What was this camera recognition device you speak of? 

When i was talking about Sony's innovation with TV's I spoke of the full screen two player television.

Microsoft buys their shit from other people, just like they did Nokia and the Kinect. They arent Sony who will live and die by creation of hardware.

No Microsoft is not only buying their shit from other people... I do not think you realize how HUGE is the R&D department of Microsoft compared to Sony...

And while they are certainly doing like other companies out there, Sony is doing the exact same thing...



S.T.A.G.E. on 16 May 2014
Imaginedvl said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

No Microsoft is not only buying their shit from other people... I do not think you realize how HUGE is the R&D department of Microsoft compared to Sony...

And while they are certainly doing like other companies out there, Sony is doing the exact same thing...

 Microsoft has recently become a hardware company compared to Sony. The only reason they are doing it is because they want to monopolize any device that has multimedia. Microsoft wants to be the only brand to provide multimedia options. They can be beaten though if the world sees a quality product that they cannot combat against. The IPod proved this. Apple has shown us that that if Microsoft cannot penetrate enough of the market they desire to take over within a certain amount of time they will pull out. I think its time Nintendo and sony get to thinking.

Buying Kinect and Nokia was some great R&D. I swear. 



Imaginedvl on 16 May 2014
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Imaginedvl said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

No Microsoft is not only buying their shit from other people... I do not think you realize how HUGE is the R&D department of Microsoft compared to Sony...

And while they are certainly doing like other companies out there, Sony is doing the exact same thing...

 Microsoft has recently become a hardware company compared to Sony. The only reason they are doing it is because they want to monopolize any device that has multimedia. Microsoft wants to be the only brand to provide multimedia options. They can be beaten though if the world sees a quality product that they cannot combat against. The IPod proved this. Apple has shown us that that if Microsoft cannot penetrate enough of the market they desire to take over within a certain amount of time they will pull out. I think its time Nintendo and sony get to thinking.

Buying Kinect and Nokia was some great R&D. I swear. 

Yah because Kinect and Nokia is the only thing Microsoft is working on, right? Or because they are buying a tech/company definitely mean they are not investing at all on R&D to develop those techs? You must certainly believe they bought Kinect 2 from scratch and not just some patent/techs and then developped/invested/iterated on it to come with an totaly different final product?

Like others, Microsoft innovated and/or bought other companies in many areas (including hardware) and you choose to blindly ignore the fact that Sony and others are doing the EXACT same thing just because you like them and want to focus on the innovation part (while doing the opposite for MS). Regarding the bolded part, I hope you are not really thinking that Apple and Sony does not have the same goal?

As far as the "quality" of the products, I believe you need to check the reviews of Microsoft products (in general, including software) and you'll see that the quality is here. They are winning a LOT of quality awards but at the same time being the biggest (in software at least), they are also getting more shit and scrutinity from the Internet which lead to people like you who take their oppinion or perception as a "global" indication of Microsoft's product quality.

Of course you can name failures like the first Xbox 360 etc... But you quickly forget the PS1/PS2 DVD drive failure rate and other thing like that and point out Microsoft only. Microsoft hardware is generaly very good and top quality by the way (for a software company).

This shit about Microsoft "only" buying other companies and not being innovative is a so out of place and what of the most laughable arguments while trying to trash about Microsoft...