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Forums - Sony Discussion - DriveClub’s upgrade program is anti-consumer and a slap in the face to PS4 fans #NoExcuse

 

Driveclub, What to do?

a) https://twitter.com/yosp; Ask Yoshida 49 56.98%
 
b) become hypocrite; Defe... 7 8.14%
 
c) do nothing, (followed ... 10 11.63%
 
d) be ignorant; get explo... 17 19.77%
 
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@ninjamonkey so you are saying the full game that is given for free only comes with 10 or so cras and 10 or so tracks while the retail 6 bucks version is teh DLC version as teh retail version has those 50 tracks and so on which you get when you upgrade the digital version?



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dane007 said:
@ninjamonkey so you are saying the full game that is given for free only comes with 10 or so cras and 10 or so tracks while the retail 6 bucks version is teh DLC version as teh retail version has those 50 tracks and so on which you get when you upgrade the digital version?


The way I understand it, is that there are 3 versions of the game:

The Retail version.

The digital version.

The PS+ version.

The retail and digital versions are both $60 and come will all the cars and tracks (as you would expect).

The PS+ version comes with a small portion of the cars and tracks and PS+ subscribers will be able to play this for "free" (Except for the PS+ subscription cost of course). However they will be able to buy the missing cars and tracks seperatly as DLC, with the option to buy the whole lot for $50. But of course with PS+, if you unsubscribe you lose access to any free games, which means that any DLC you own for that game can't be used. (No different to buying a retail a retail version of Call of Duty and buying some map pack DLC... If you then sell the game, the map packs you brought can't be used).   



So far according to SCEE and the guys from evolution studios ,theres only a retail version and free digital lite version which can be upgraded to the full version buy paying 50 bucks for it . If they wanted to sell digital and retail ,, all they need to do was to release a demo for all psn users and if psn users love the game,, then they can either purchase it from psn store or buy it at retail. Its pretty simple right?



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Dr.Henry_Killinger said:

You mean to tell me the twitter of the President of Worldwide Studios, Sony Computer Entertainment is completely irrelevant to a thread in the Sony Discussion subforum that concerns an issue with a game on PS+?

 

You can't even consider asking Yoshida for clarification, you do realize you've basically invalidated every argument against defenders of any system right?


I was talking about the link you said youd provide to people outside of this thread. I don't see how any future anti-consumer decisions of MS are at all relevant to a Sony exclusive. There use to be a time on these forums that bringing up a different company when the thread is not of a company was banable... And for the most part I agreed with it.

look, you can be a hypocrite. I for one do not care if it is Sony, Microsoft, or Nintendo. 

It does not require much imagination to see why this option is bad, sets a bad prescedent, and exploits consumer ignorance.

I have explained it time and time again. The upgrade is advertised as a discounted retail game, you do not own it, you only have access to it with PS+. This is DRM plain and simple. It exploits the consumer ignorance of this policy, especially when every other ps+ game that has been discounted is actually owned. It sets a prescedent of simply calling downloaded games DLC, so Sony controls your ability to access it despite its price tag. The DLC argument is weak because not only is it only 10$ cheaper than the full retail, but it is not avaliable on the retail edition, I would buy the DLC argument if it was simply advertised as DLC rather than the "full driveclub experience" however.

Its ok to bash MS when "MS preys on Consumer Ignorance" but when Sony does the exact same thing, its time go into defense mode. #DoubleStandard #hypocritical

And the worst thing is, the solution is relatively simple. Send Yoshida a tweet, if I'm right he'll fix it, if I'm wrong he'll clarify it. 

But I know I'm right, that's why I will never let it go.

And I don't care if its bannable as you claim, if you ever think I will let this hypocrisy go, than try me.

or

you can see the light and understand that I'm only criticing the existence of this option, not Sony or PS+, and that this option is not only bad but their are reasonable alternatives to it as well. 

The only difference between this option being a 50$ dlc and a 10$ retail discount, is that the former requires plus and the latter doesn't. Both can require plus to purchase, but when its access its DRM.

The plus requirement is disingenous and fools consumers with its "lower" price tag.

It's simple reasoning, and everyone who has tried to defend this have ignored these key facts. Because when you  understand them, the only way you could possibly defend this is if you beleive that Sony can do no wrong.

Its quite enlightening to see many Sony Fans turn on me the moment I critize a mistake by one of there devs, but when I'm bashing Ninty or MS, I get quoted and thread ed. I expected as much, but its still surprising how much logic, reason, and objectivism goes out the window when some is talking about your favorite brand.



In this day and age, with the Internet, ignorance is a choice! And they're still choosing Ignorance! - Dr. Filthy Frank

S.T.A.G.E. said:

The F2P part is conditional only to single player. Multiplayer isnt free. Its a much fairer trade because with with all of the stuff PSN+ already gives you, the PSN Plus version of the game offers 10 cars, 11 tracks while having access to all of the games modes. Everything else must be purchased for $49.99. 

With Killer Instinct, you get one character (which is subject to change at the developers leisure) and access to all modes and versus access to only one stage until you buy or earn more stages, which are still less than what Sony is already giving you. I wasnt about to pay MS $40 for all of the content when I know I am enough of a fighting fan to take on the challenges when I have the free time to unlock everything myself. 

In conclusion, you have 50+ cars and 50+ tracks so...really its not really much to bitch about. If they give us shitty cars....then its time to bitch, but we know nothing yet. 50+ cars is too small of a collection to give people 1/5 of your crappiest.

It will probably take Microsoft three seasons of Killer Instinct to even reach twenty-four characters with twenty four levels. 

Theres absolutely no reason for anyone to be alarmed when we know this model has been coming. At least PSN+ gives you ten cars for the subscription price and ten dollars off of the actual price had you not had plus in the first place. 

Ignoring the fact that you're comparing a fighter to a racer, the issue here isn't the amount of content being given. You can get that KI demo version without paying MS one penny. You have to pay to access the PS+ version of #Driveclub. I would hope it has more content.

The issue is the paid content after upgrading being locked behind a paywall for no good reason. You bitched a lot last gen about how bad it is that MS "locks MP away" behind the Live paywall. Following that logic, you should be irate that Sony is going to lock not only MP content but single player content as well. But you're making excuses for it and rationalizing it.

That was a crap load of text you typed trying to connect these two games. Just look at it in a simple manner. Both the free version of KI and the PS+ edition of #Driveclub are both essentially demos trying to get you to buy the full game. Only with #Driveclub if you upgrade you don't really get the full game, you get a rental of the full game for a whopping $50. It's a huge difference and one that makes no sense. I am still convinced it's a misunderstanding and will be until Kenny K himself confirms they went this silly route.



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This is serious bullshit if true.



J_Allard said:

Ignoring the fact that you're comparing a fighter to a racer, the issue here isn't the amount of content being given. You can get that KI demo version without paying MS one penny. You have to pay to access the PS+ version of #Driveclub. I would hope it has more content.

The issue is the paid content after upgrading being locked behind a paywall for no good reason. You bitched a lot last gen about how bad it is that MS "locks MP away" behind the Live paywall. Following that logic, you should be irate that Sony is going to lock not only MP content but single player content as well. But you're making excuses for it and rationalizing it.

That was a crap load of text you typed trying to connect these two games. Just look at it in a simple manner. Both the free version of KI and the PS+ edition of #Driveclub are both essentially demos trying to get you to buy the full game. Only with #Driveclub if you upgrade you don't really get the full game, you get a rental of the full game for a whopping $50. It's a huge difference and one that makes no sense. I am still convinced it's a misunderstanding and will be until Kenny K himself confirms they went this silly route.

I must admit, its quite strange when we are on the same side of the argument for a change.



In this day and age, with the Internet, ignorance is a choice! And they're still choosing Ignorance! - Dr. Filthy Frank

Dr.Henry_Killinger said:

look, you can be a hypocrite. I for one do not care if it is Sony, Microsoft, or Nintendo. 

It does not require much imagination to see why this option is bad, sets a bad prescedent, and exploits consumer ignorance.

I have explained it time and time again. The upgrade is advertised as a discounted retail game, you do not own it, you only have access to it with PS+. This is DRM plain and simple. It exploits the consumer ignorance of this policy, especially when every other ps+ game that has been discounted is actually owned. It sets a prescedent of simply calling downloaded games DLC, so Sony controls your ability to access it despite its price tag. The DLC argument is weak because not only is it only 10$ cheaper than the full retail, but it is not avaliable on the retail edition, I would buy the DLC argument if it was simply advertised as DLC rather than the "full driveclub experience" however.

Its ok to bash MS when "MS preys on Consumer Ignorance" but when Sony does the exact same thing, its time go into defense mode. #DoubleStandard #hypocritical

And the worst thing is, the solution is relatively simple. Send Yoshida a tweet, if I'm right he'll fix it, if I'm wrong he'll clarify it. 

But I know I'm right, that's why I will never let it go.

And I don't care if its bannable as you claim, if you ever think I will let this hypocrisy go, than try me.

or

you can see the light and understand that I'm only criticing the existence of this option, not Sony or PS+, and that this option is not only bad but their are reasonable alternatives to it as well. 

The only difference between this option being a 50$ dlc and a 10$ retail discount, is that the former requires plus and the latter doesn't. Both can require plus to purchase, but when its access its DRM.

The plus requirement is disingenous and fools consumers with its "lower" price tag.

It's simple reasoning, and everyone who has tried to defend this have ignored these key facts. Because when you  understand them, the only way you could possibly defend this is if you beleive that Sony can do no wrong.

Its quite enlightening to see many Sony Fans turn on me the moment I critize a mistake by one of there devs, but when I'm bashing Ninty or MS, I get quoted and thread ed. I expected as much, but its still surprising how much logic, reason, and objectivism goes out the window when some is talking about your favorite brand.

I'm not gonna read that much of flawed logic but I think you should go look at a dictionary.



dane007 said:
So far according to SCEE and the guys from evolution studios ,theres only a retail version and free digital lite version which can be upgraded to the full version buy paying 50 bucks for it . If they wanted to sell digital and retail ,, all they need to do was to release a demo for all psn users and if psn users love the game,, then they can either purchase it from psn store or buy it at retail. Its pretty simple right?


If you look here 

http://blog.eu.playstation.com/2014/05/07/whats-included-driveclub-playstation-plus-edition/

They say

"If you’re not an active PlayStation Plus member, you can still get DRIVECLUB via the PlayStation Store or your local retailer on Blu-ray."

So that confirms that there is a regular digital version. 



dane007 said:
So far according to SCEE and the guys from evolution studios ,theres only a retail version and free digital lite version which can be upgraded to the full version buy paying 50 bucks for it . If they wanted to sell digital and retail ,, all they need to do was to release a demo for all psn users and if psn users love the game,, then they can either purchase it from psn store or buy it at retail. Its pretty simple right?


That literally makes 0 sense. It would be absolutely asinine for Sony to only restrict digital sales to PS+ users. No. There are three versions. PS+, digital and retail. Like we have been saying to you for hours