Sigh people complain about new agendas when they previously had the same. Then complain that you can't do this and that when they previously did the same. Then say it is not about quantity it is about quality but want to disregard the indie titles that have scored better than basically EVERY retail exclusive. Then say others say it is about what you like not what all it has. This thread has gotten crazy lol.

All the list does is show available and up coming games for both the PS4 and XB1. And as it CURRENTLY stands the PS4 has more games and more coming up regardless of what ANY of us have to say. Doesn't matter if you personally like the games or not RIGHT NOW the PS4 has MORE games between the two. Now will all of the games appeal to everyone? But that is true for any console...no matter how many games it has all of them don't appeal to everyone. So what does this mean in the end? It means YOU get whichever system best suits what YOU want to play and stick with it. No need to debate quality over and over and over again. Because what may be QUALITY to you may not be QUALITY to someone else. It is all about what you PREFER to play. All this other arguing that is going on is silly and meaningless. The list shows the NUMBER of games for both consoles not which is BETTER or more QUALITY but the number of games. Not the number you PREFER to play or choose to play but the number available.....geez people.

those are all indie games. well most of them. either that or its 360 too. and most games on xbox one havent come out yet. like quantum break, sunset, spark, d4, halo, fable etc

So really in the end, you have no idea what you're talking about. Did you even bother to read my post? I didn't say anything about either console's sales. Go ahead and prove me wrong, show me where I talked about the PS4's sales. Go on, I'll wait. 

I am quite sure Resogun has been played FAR more than a mere 20 hours. I agree not all indie titles may be worth it. Nor will they appeal to everyone but they give diversity and options. Which is the point of the list. There is no issue with the PS4s current line up of games....especially not for a freaking 6 month old console lol. Multiplats sell better than exclusives and always have this is a freaking fact. There are plenty of games to play on the PS4 and the XB1 right now. Neither really has much "retail exclusive" wise out they are in my opinion dead even. But then it just depends on what you prefer to play. Heck I know people who bought Titanfall a freaking full MP game that don't touch it any more. Does that mean there is an issue with the XB1(just using that as a comparison to the Second Son issue you mentioned).

Then when people use the games are on last gens systems reasoning it is also silly. Because what if those people didn't get those games on last gen systems and wanted them on their PS4/XB1? What we just disregard those games because some of us had the systems and got the games for that system? Not talking about you here just speaking in general because it came to mind lol. There are lots of games to play on both systems and both are lacking "retail exclusive" wise at the moment. Which is also not an issue as it is only their first year and I am sure both have lots of games coming up and will even annouce more games at E3, TGS etc....

Well PS3 fans had it right last gen so we are technically in the right now. And since you guys viewed us as wrong last gen, your logic is as of now also wrong ;).

It should be about quality and not quantity.....as real gamers quality should be the priority right?

"disregard the indie titles that have scored better than basically EVERY retail exclusive" - I learned last gen the hard way that gamers instinctively prioritize AAA over indie. 9/10 gamers would pick Last of Us over say Geometry Wars 2, despite both being 90+ meta scores. Contextually speaking, AAA has always had a edge and lists should reflect this.

Your message seems righteous enough but this thread (OP) is a trojan horse to just say in yet another way that PS4 is better, but especially to bolster their lack of AAA exclusives by hiding them among the indies. X1 currently has a more diverse AAA lineup so these lists will be the trend for the foreseable future.

How would you know that the average consumer considers Metacritic as the main judgement of their own personal view of quality. Its completly arbitrary, and it artificially qualifies games based on someone elses opinion. Even in the movie industry, its common for the fans and the critics to disagree, critical acclaim is just a buzz word.

An RPG/Open World gamer would have a vastly different list then someone who prefers FPSes. If you switched there lists, it would be absolutely worthless to either of them.

All Metacritic is in an aggregate of "expert" and fan reviews. Its just a more complicated version of the previous example. If your going to make a list it is only valid if it is objective, once you start qualifying it becomes useless to any consumer whose prefrences didn't match the reviewer's.

Gamign and movies should not be compared. And listing games with 60's meta and 50's or below is a slippery slope. We on gaming internet sites use metacritic, so our lists cater to us, not for the average consumer that doesn't even frequent the sites we use. Again, the system aint perfect but its the best we have and the positives/negatives effect both sides equally.

So you could say in theory that considering their install bases, both X1 & ps4 are been played for around the same amount of time maybe?

The thing with that is........ ps4 has TONNES more games according to some of the faithful here, if theres tonnes more games, then why is it not getting a hell of a lot more attention than the X1 with regards to playtime?

For every Resogun (which i hear clocks in at around 3-5 hours for the average player) there are nine other 1-2 hour long games, hence its still gonna be around approx 20 hours combined.

Sure, one or two of those 10 games may get a fair bit more playtime than others (like Resogun as you mentioned), but the 90% thing stands for me because 90% of indie games are nothing more than party stick mini snacks)

90% of indie games= Buy, play, complete, DELETE.

Huh? But I was NEVER one of those PS3 fans that felt that way lol. I felt the 360 had some AMAZING titles on XBLA and never understood why so many people were trying to down play them. I was the one(a guy who prefers the PS consoles) who AGREED with you and the points you made about the 360/PS3 games lists lol so no I am still correct as you were back then :-p.But have chosen to be wrong now which is sad

While I agree that as gaming fans we shoudl want more quality(which is only really personal opinion lol) AAA games. But the thing is we have those especially thanks to multiplats(which sell more than any exclusives on any console). And as I stated to someone else we are not even a full 5 months into either consoles life cycle lol. So why we are SO freaking prematurely jumping the gun on games in beyond me. It it were this same time in 2015 THEN more people here would have a point but not even a FULL 5 MONTHS IN....this just silly and pointless lol. Give both companies some time for the "retail AAA exclusives" people...until then enjoy all the freak "retaill AAA multiplats" that we are all getting lol.