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Nintentacle said:
Zombi U was probably the game that determined the fate of 3rd Party support. If that sold a lot more, Wii U probably would've gotten Crysis 3 and GTA V.

absolutely not. companies don't make decisions based on 1 game from another company. and there's no permanent absolute decision about not bringing games to a console.



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Shortiloe said:
RealGamingExpert said:
Im pretty sure it wont sell much. Ubisoft is hurting it with delaying it to fall or even later.
The only third party that sold well was Lego City Undercover and that was also an exclusive game.
I think we wont get much third party support from now on, maybe one game once in a while but nothing too crazy.


Lego City Undercover was developed by TT Fusion under the supervision of Nintendo. The group was in contact with the developers and sent regular feedback, but did not intervene directly in the development. Specifically, producers and staff of the Department Nintendo Software Planning & Development (SPD) were involved. In addition, Nintendo localized the game and published it, that means that this is a first party game of Nintendo.

No, it's a third party exclusive. 1st party = a game developed by a company's own studios. 2nd party = a game developed by a company that the company owns (like xenoblade and X). 3rd party = a game developed by a developer independant from the first party. can be exclusive or multi, but third party nonetheless.



ZombiU, a medium-budget title, actually did fairly well when the Wii U launched, and to this day has over 10% marketshare on the Wii U. That is roughly equivalent to how a lot of sports games have done on the PS4 and One. And of course, you have the Monster Hunter 3 port, which did great for being a port of a years-old game, and LEGO City, which did even better. All three of these games are in the Wii U's top 10. So in short, games not made by Nintendo have a chance on the Wii U.

So let's say Watch Dogs sells 10 million lifetime, including 1 or 2 million on the Wii U. Would that be enough to guarantee a Wii U successor? Especially if Watch Dogs 2 doesn't have a PS360 version?

Third party support was doomed for the Wii U the moment publishers learned that Nintendo would be the guys making it.

This is not to say the Wii U will be entirely barren of third party games. In the near future, Skylanders 4 and Just Dance 2015 will each likely sell over 300,000 copies on the Wii U alone, based on the trends from prior entries in those series on the Wii U. Disney Infinity 2 will likewise likely do well on the Wii U. And of course, LEGO games will do well enough until that fad finally dies.

However, AAA games like CoD and Assassin's Creed won't, simply because people who play these games will likely prefer to play them on another platform. You can blame Nintendo for making a weak console, or possibly 3rd parties for demanding too much power for what are typically not very technically impressive games, but either way, the problem remains.

That said, as a pure consumer, I'm content. The Wii U is not my only gaming device, but even if it were, it would not be a much worse system than the original Wii was. If anything, the Wii U looks to be the Wii with an occasional multiplatform title and a higher quality eShop replacing hundreds of shovelware titles. At very least, I don't groan when viewing Wii U shelves at stores, unlike I did for a while with the Wii's section.



rik said:
Is sonic boom third party? I think that will sell well

Hopefully that game sells well, but just look at what happened with Sonic Lost World!



                
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Zero999 said:

Project cars will be interesting to see, I think there was a poll on the oficial site where over 50% of the votes said they'd buy the game on wii u. but reagrdless of the outcome the bolded isn't true and never will be. at maximun it meand that some third parties sell better than others, which is valid for all consoles.

That poll has the Wii U version at 30.54%.  Below the Steam OS version.  I'm rather doubtful that either of those results will be represented in the sales numbers.  Although some of the Steam OS voters probably just meant Steam the storefront.



A million sales with a delayed port? lol... you are already dooming it to be a failure then.

It could've had a chance if it wasnt delayed. Now that it is... no chance for a mil on sales. I would say 500k would already be a major sucess.



All I hope is that Nintendo finds a way at the E3 to boost their sales. WiiU isn't my favorite console, still they deserve better than this.



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Salnax said:
ZombiU, a medium-budget title, actually did fairly well when the Wii U launched, and to this day has over 10% marketshare on the Wii U. That is roughly equivalent to how a lot of sports games have done on the PS4 and One. And of course, you have the Monster Hunter 3 port, which did great for being a port of a years-old game, and LEGO City, which did even better. All three of these games are in the Wii U's top 10. So in short, games not made by Nintendo have a chance on the Wii U.

FIFA: 25.8% PS4 / 20.1% XBO
NBA: 12% PS4 / 13% XBO
Madden: 8.7% PS4 / 12.6%
NBA Live sold terribly

ZombiU 10.9%

Although I'm not really sure why you'd compare ZombiU to sports games.  For one, it has been out for a year longer and doesn't see an annual release that would cut off its legs like sports games do.  Two, it was bundled at various periods in the US and Europe.  Lastly, sports are fairly regional.  The PS4 selling a ton in Europe will only hurt Madden sales as a percent of the userbase.

Those three games being in the top 10 is more indicative of the low amount of software that Nintendo has developed for the Wii U.  Also the overall poor performance of software.  Not to mention that two of the games were published by Nintendo, and all three saw bundling.  The PS4 and XBO barrier to enter their top 10's is already higher with a year less on the market.  By April 2015 their number 10 games will probably be at least double the 486k a game currently needs to enter the Wii U's top 10.



Salnax said:
ZombiU, a medium-budget title, actually did fairly well when the Wii U launched, and to this day has over 10% marketshare on the Wii U. That is roughly equivalent to how a lot of sports games have done on the PS4 and One. And of course, you have the Monster Hunter 3 port, which did great for being a port of a years-old game, and LEGO City, which did even better. All three of these games are in the Wii U's top 10. So in short, games not made by Nintendo have a chance on the Wii U.


As I've said. Exclusive games, small teams, medium budgets with cross-financing from Nintendo (they have to put the money made on Wii to use) using the GamePad for more than just the minimap. These are the 3rd party games that Nintendo should be focusing on. Other make no sense.



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