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*Sound Of Rain said:
oniyide said:

keyword being annual. Not quite sure how you can compare. We expect AC adn COD games becasue those are yearly releases, been that way for years. Cant say the same for Ninty so why would one hold them to the same expectations?

Because it makes sense. Does anyone actually believe that Nintendo will show nothing new at E3 and have only Smash Bros for the Holidays? 

If we can expect a COD based off of history, we can also expect Nintendo to release more than 5 games in a year. (Based off history)

That's not comparabel though. Nintendo has a bunch of multi million sellers but also a huge bunch of games that are barely doing a million or two. The latter won't help the WiiU unless they're produced in masses, which they aren't.

Now what's comparable to this year's annual releases (past sales in brackets):
AC Unity (10 million seller), CoD ... (20 million seller), FIFA 15 (10 million seller), Madden 14 (5 million seller)

Plus other: Batman Arkham Knight (9 million seller), Destiny (about as big as Titanfall), Watch Dogs (launches later on WiiU), Elder Scrolls Online + games with unconfirmed release dates and possible new announcements at E3


So aside from MK8 and Smash Bros. they would absolutely need other heavy hitters (Zelda, Wii Sports U, Pokemon U) to release during the holidays to even be somewhat competitive.

Yoshi's Epic Yarn, Bayonetta 2 and X won't be enough.



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*Sound Of Rain said:

In every sales thread that mentions the Wii U, nearly everyone says "it depends on how well MK & Smash do" While they are both huge series from Nintendo they are clearly not all the Wii U will have this year.

Also, in every thread that pits the Wii U and XBO against each other, people bring up bundles and a price cut this Holiday as advantages for the XBO. How? Do people not expect bundles and /or a price cut from Nintendo?

This thread isn't trying to say the Wii U will start selling huge Wii-like #'s or anything but why do people act as if Nintendo will do nothing other than release them two games?

Wii U doesn't have a lot of major games with even rough dates, and of those that it has - MK & Smash are the potential system sellers.

Bayonetta looks cool to me, but was very niche last gen.  X I have no idea.  Hyrule Warriors... give me a break.  Dynasty warriors with Lync is still Dynasty Warriors.



My 8th gen collection

Does anyone really need any other reason to get a Wii U???!!!!!



Talal said:
I will permaban myself if the game releases in 2014.

in reference to KH3 release date

justiceiro said:

I dunno man, you see, looking at statments made by iwata and myamoto in the past, and the development on this gen so far, it's really hard to me to believe that they have all those unnanounced exclusive gorgeus games in the oven baking for more than 3~4 year now, harder yet is to believe taht will be in the lines of f-zero, stafox, oreven something new. The statments they had on the last investor meeting painted a different picture:

  1. Myamoto believes that the problem of WiiU lacking games is solved. Hes not talking about only quantity, but quality too, based on the praise SM3DW recieved, and even managed to sell > 1mil before the year ended. This is not something new when come to nintedo. Back in the n64 times they had like 12~13 releasinga  year, while PS recieved more than 100. They actually believe that is most important to make 1~2 blow way games than 3~4 good games. See their focus is so strong on SSB and MK?
  2. Myamoto also stated that they will "put resources" on QoL to develop something fun(can even be the new IP that he mentioned before), so is not like they are focusing on how can we save wiiu, and more like how can we save ourselves?
  3. Iwata believed that they have to focus more on the gamepad, and pointed the revealing of games that use nfc in this e3, so i will not rule out the possibility that all new games(if its more than one, wich i doubt a litle) for wiiu will something in the lines of animal crossing with nfc toys.
  4. Nintendo almost only talk about MK and SBB. Back in may, kamiya complained that he was somewhat disapointed with the lack of effort that nintendo put on promoting W101. He said that not many magazines had previews of the game, and everything that nintendo made to promote the game was actually his idea. The site was his idea and he mentioned that a lot of people with he talked tough that the game was about dogs(in japanese sounded like that). The direct? His idea. Remenber that nintendo made a TV ad of pikmin 3? W101 saw nothing of it. Some argued that X was the best game nitenndo showed at e3. The problem is, at e3 nintendo booth, there was nothing about it. They were showing 3DS, and even Planes(tie-in of the film), they even bring someone to do cosplay of bayonetta, but there was no sign of X. SBB was announced at e3 2012, altough the first footage emerged on 2013 e3. Since then, we saw the release of a screnshot everyday. We see the release of  a new pic about a new track on MK every 2 weeks. Nintnedo only mentioned X 3 times. Bayonetta 2 close to five, we are supposed to recieve those games before SSB WiiU yet we still have no idea about the story on X or more information about Bayonetta gameplay style. Remenber Yarn yoshi? Or the fire emblem crossover? And zelda musou? What nitnendo has talked about those games after the release of DK?

I actually expect the reveal of the new zelda, but i really don't believe that they will something totally not expected for WiiU(read: ceasing production/cuting price and making bundles is not unexpected)

smash brothers wasn't really announced at E3 2012, nintendo simply said a new smash would come (at E3 2011) and we got the trailer in 2013.

I wouldn't say X is being under promoted. for starters, it was shown on worldwide directs, meaning nintendo aknowledged the western audience and we won't need another operation rainfall. it will probably get promoted when it gets a proper release date, probably after this E3.



S.T.A.G.E. said:
Mario kart was the king Mario game on the Wii thats why. It tends to be high on the list of top sellers in every gen for mario. Super Smash wont do as well. There are other games but if Mario Kart and Super Smash don't sell well its pretty much over.

you're not answering the thread's question.



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binary solo said:
The thing is what else is there that can substantially change the popularity of the Wii U that hasn't already been released? You've had most of the mainstays of the waggle games that proved wildly popular with WIi, and you've had most of the core multi-generational franchises (or derivations thereof) aside from SSB and MK8.

Personally I don't think either of these will cut it. Gamecube had both franchises, along with all the others that existed pre-waggle, and none of them helped GC take the generation, or eve secure a solid second place.

To be a serious contender Wii U needs new blood, and that's games that appeal to the ageing gamer crowd. Nitnendo's first party games are still largely targetted to the under 20 audience. But the mainstay of the gaming audience is now much older than that on average. Nintendo needs franchises that grab the attention of the 25-40 year old gamer, and not those gamers that grew up with Mario, Zelda, Mettroid and Donkey Kong just the gamer who still likes to play the sort of games they loved when they were 14.

bold: there's a lot that hasn't been released yet, and games have cumulative effect.

bold 2: nintendo's games are targeted at everyone. if anything, third party games are mostly targeted at the under 20 audience.



Barozi said:
*Sound Of Rain said:
oniyide said:

keyword being annual. Not quite sure how you can compare. We expect AC adn COD games becasue those are yearly releases, been that way for years. Cant say the same for Ninty so why would one hold them to the same expectations?

Because it makes sense. Does anyone actually believe that Nintendo will show nothing new at E3 and have only Smash Bros for the Holidays? 

If we can expect a COD based off of history, we can also expect Nintendo to release more than 5 games in a year. (Based off history)

That's not comparabel though. Nintendo has a bunch of multi million sellers but also a huge bunch of games that are barely doing a million or two. The latter won't help the WiiU unless they're produced in masses, which they aren't.

Now what's comparable to this year's annual releases (past sales in brackets):
AC Unity (10 million seller), CoD ... (20 million seller), FIFA 15 (10 million seller), Madden 14 (5 million seller)

Plus other: Batman Arkham Knight (9 million seller), Destiny (about as big as Titanfall), Watch Dogs (launches later on WiiU), Elder Scrolls Online + games with unconfirmed release dates and possible new announcements at E3


So aside from MK8 and Smash Bros. they would absolutely need other heavy hitters (Zelda, Wii Sports U, Pokemon U) to release during the holidays to even be somewhat competitive.

Yoshi's Epic Yarn, Bayonetta 2 and X won't be enough.

those numbers in parenthesis aren't single versions. and arkham origins didn't even get 4m combined, so arkham knight has a tough job ahead.



*Sound Of Rain said:

In every sales thread that mentions the Wii U, nearly everyone says "it depends on how well MK & Smash do" While they are both huge series from Nintendo they are clearly not all the Wii U will have this year.

Also, in every thread that pits the Wii U and XBO against each other, people bring up bundles and a price cut this Holiday as advantages for the XBO. How? Do people not expect bundles and /or a price cut from Nintendo?

This thread isn't trying to say the Wii U will start selling huge Wii-like #'s or anything but why do people act as if Nintendo will do nothing other than release them two games?

Both of these questions can be answered by looking at the past 18 months of WiiU. No games have pushed WiiU so far, that's why over 18 months which includes 2 holiday seasons they've barely hit 6 mill. Smash and MK are considered their biggest hits in terms of selling hardware.

XBOX has a target audience, that audience will react to price cuts and bundles. WiiU won't. It's that simple.



 

Seece said:
*Sound Of Rain said:

In every sales thread that mentions the Wii U, nearly everyone says "it depends on how well MK & Smash do" While they are both huge series from Nintendo they are clearly not all the Wii U will have this year.

Also, in every thread that pits the Wii U and XBO against each other, people bring up bundles and a price cut this Holiday as advantages for the XBO. How? Do people not expect bundles and /or a price cut from Nintendo?

This thread isn't trying to say the Wii U will start selling huge Wii-like #'s or anything but why do people act as if Nintendo will do nothing other than release them two games?

Both of these questions can be answered by looking at the past 18 months of WiiU. No games have pushed WiiU so far, that's why over 18 months which includes 2 holiday seasons they've barely hit 6 mill. Smash and MK are considered their biggest hits in terms of selling hardware.

XBOX has a target audience, that audience will react to price cuts and bundles. WiiU won't. It's that simple.

that's shallow.



Seece said:
*Sound Of Rain said:

In every sales thread that mentions the Wii U, nearly everyone says "it depends on how well MK & Smash do" While they are both huge series from Nintendo they are clearly not all the Wii U will have this year.

Also, in every thread that pits the Wii U and XBO against each other, people bring up bundles and a price cut this Holiday as advantages for the XBO. How? Do people not expect bundles and /or a price cut from Nintendo?

This thread isn't trying to say the Wii U will start selling huge Wii-like #'s or anything but why do people act as if Nintendo will do nothing other than release them two games?

Both of these questions can be answered by looking at the past 18 months of WiiU. No games have pushed WiiU so far, that's why over 18 months which includes 2 holiday seasons they've barely hit 6 mill. Smash and MK are considered their biggest hits in terms of selling hardware.

XBOX has a target audience, that audience will react to price cuts and bundles. WiiU won't. It's that simple.

Pretty sure if the Wii U mario and luigi bundle, Wind Waker bundle and the $50 price cut didn't happen, Wii U's holiday would have been even more disastrous than it already was. Say you swapped Super Mario 3D World for Yarn Yoshi. The Wii U sales would be undeniably worse, right?

Nintendo's problem is that their audience isn't comfortable buying a system thats more than $250 with a quality bundled game. A good many gamers would like to have Nintendo games, but find the idea of paying anything near as much for a Nintendo system vs another next-gen one ridiculous -- even if SSB, Zelda, MK8, and Mario are all really good.

A lot of families will buy whatever's most affordable -- the Wii U isn't priced into that category, but the 3DS, Xbox 360, and original Wii are.



I predict NX launches in 2017 - not 2016