I don't understand how you can call the WiiU a flop? Its only been out a year and 2 months. The PS3 did miserable the first year. Would you call it a flop now? Vita has been out 2 years so they are closer to be called a flop. 3 years os what you need to know that question.

Wii U.

What really makes me sad is that it's exactly the Nintendo consoles fans have been crying out for since the launch of the Wii: 'hardcore' games, better online, eshop, HD graphics, awesome controller (seriously, I rank the gamepad better than the gamecube controller), backwards compatibility, new IP, improved 3rd party support (or there was, until Nintendo fans refused to buy it).

Seriously, the Wii U is awesome; it doesn't deserve to 'fail'. But Nintendo fans haven't bought it, and it's because of that that it's struggling.

I know Nintendo fans say they're the best. But we're not, we're the worst.

Look at the Sony fanboys; buying up every PS4 that hits the shelves, despite there not being any decent games on it, no backwards compatibility and paid online (why do people think that its OK?)

Look at the Microsoft fanboys; buying up every PS4 that hits the shelves, despite there not being any decent games on it, no backwards compatibility and paid online (why do people think that its OK?)

Oh. I think I know what you mean.

God, forever cloud unleashed the fan- flood doors.

Both make me sad, they both deserve more success than they have.

...well, we probably are the dinosaurs of a dying market. Candy Crush and Puzzle and Dragon are the future apparently....and even more homogenized AAAA games that fail to make their money back at 4 million sold copies.

...yuck...

Edit: Bwahaha, Lawlight is at it again.

...some people...

I think a big factor in this is actually, we've had the same hardware under the hood for the big multiplatform games since 2005. People are really ready for a jump in the visuals/performance.

Although PS4 doesn't have any blockbuster exclusives of note yet. It does have some multi platform stuff that is a clear leap ahead of the Xbox 360/PS3 versions. FIFA in particular has wowed a lot of my friends. People are just ready for new hardware and PS4 has been the right proposition (most powerful hardware at the best price) at the right time and so I think this is why so many users are currently gravitating towards it.

It's also offering the best console versions of most multiplatform games. Something unless the pad is integrally utilized, which I don't see from 3rd parties, will never happen with the Wii U.

Wii U's lineup as great as it is (it's actually heaven for me as a huge platform game fan) isn't very broad. Therefore it's not going to have the same mass market appeal.

That said, your comment that PS4 has no decent games on it is completely incorrect. It has the best version of games that the core market really cares about. Whether they fit your definition of decent is irrelevant. The sales of FIFA/Call of Duty etc on PS4 (and also XB1) relative to it's userbase speak for themselves. There is just no market for these games on Wii U, which means these games will stop coming out on Wii U and it will perpetuate the cycle.

Vita deserves it more, simply because Sony made bugger-all effort to rescue it from its rut.

That said, I don't think it's over for either console; with the right games and a sensible marketing strategy, both could still be modest successes.

How about the last option? It'd be actually deviating from the topic. No lols actually when flops are meant to be sadder.

The PS3 was at 10.3 million lifetime in the same time frame as the Wii U now, and people did call that a flop daily on these very forums, it was also up about 40-50% yoy in Q1 of the second year, despite Q1 the year before seeing the relatively large European launch, this lack of natural growth for the Wii U is worrying and suggests that there quite simply isn't a very large audience for it. In February 2015, some users will point out that; "its been out only two years and three months, it's way too soon to call anything." Everyone seems to agree that the Vita is a massive failure, for reference; it was at about 4.65 million in a similar time frame in its life, about one million behind the Wii U. If someone throws the word "flop" around a bit, it's kind of hard not to agree that it is warranted at this point, especially seeing the sales being more or less flat yoy, the mandatory second year rise appears to be elusive as of yet, and even with a resurgence in spring and near the holidays, it will take quite some time to catch the flop by consensus: the PS Vita, and that tells us something. Besides; as people rightfully did with the PS3 vs PS2, when you view these numbers in context with the predecessor (Wii), it's kind of hard not to resort to the word "flop".

If there's something that is hard to understand on vgchartz, it has to be one month old users managing posts like this (and it happens all the time);

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6070613

You appear to have a highly personal stake in the console wars, don't take it so seriously, it won't affect you in any kind of way at any rate.

I'm not really sad about the sales of Vita and Wii U.

I'm sad about the sales of PS4.

That system has absolutely nothing going for it. Yet people for some reason buy it in droves. It's saddening.