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ironmanDX said:
Soleron said:

The real fight this generation is against disinterest. The real threat to the games you love making it to your chosen console is that they become financially unviable to bring to ANY platform. If games like Call of Duty and Assassins Creed continue to decline in sales with their next few installments, third parties will seriously look at cutting back on HD development, just like Square Enix is already doing according to their Annual Report.


Buy Theif people!! An old IP that has been rebooted, a new IP to some. What we gamers were begging for last gen!! Get on it!

 

Sorry mate! Sort of the same point. Assassin's Creed and CoD will be fine. Something will just replace CoD, if not soon, eventually. Like the Guitar Hero craze before it, the Tony Hawk games before them, so on.. I think it's the smaller games that need the support. Good points though.


I agree. Especially about the smaller games. So long as they are decent.



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Sorry but no matter how you butter the bread, sales will always have a notable impact on software support, even from third party.

Xbox one may well compete with ps4 in america, hell it may even beat it someday, but alas america alone isn't as important as a global total, no matter how many Americans would like to think otherwise.

If you think total sales of each will stay within 4 million of each other, or that developers and publishers won't mostly go to where the majority of buyers are, you're in for a bad time.



darthdevidem01 said:
I think companies that spam out entries in series every year simply have to accept that declines will come eventually.

Let's look at R* on the other hand....they spend years working hard and it seems to pay off.

GTAV has become the best selling in the series, GTAIV legged its way up to 25 Million shipped too.

Companies should become a bit more humble once more!

franchise fatigue is real and companies should cycle IPs.  I'm the biggest Ratchet fan you'll ever meet but after ACiT (my favorite game ever) they should have taken a break until PS4.  If A4O, FFA, and Nexus hadn't taken so much interest out of the series (even though Nexus is alright) then a PS4 game would get some serious hype especially if they had devoted a couple years to it.




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Soleron said:

It no longer makes sense to frame this generation's sales in terms of Xbox One "winning" or "losing" versus PS4.

Publishers are compelled to make every major third party game for both if they ever want to make money. There will be the occasional exclusive but it will be about a specific niche served by one console that can be done on lower budgets (JRPGs) or with extremely large financing deals (Titanfall). It's no longer possible to put a global major franchise on one or the other just for artistic or continuity reasons.

Therefore, all your favourite games WILL come to your platform of choice, and your console WILL survive for as long as the other one does. Winning in sales numbers does nothing to ensure that you recieve the few exclusives, because they're about which first party is willing to pay up. The relative sales numbers will not affect your gaming experience for this generation in any way.

The real fight this generation is against disinterest. The real threat to the games you love making it to your chosen console is that they become financially unviable to bring to ANY platform. If games like Call of Duty and Assassins Creed continue to decline in sales with their next few installments, third parties will seriously look at cutting back on HD development, just like Square Enix is already doing according to their Annual Report.

When the sales figures come out, whether your console has won or lost against the other one has no value to you. Look for the overall health of the industry: hardware sales compared to this point in last gen, software sales compared to past series entries (especially for those franchises just outside the top tier), and most importantly quarterly earnings statements from third parties.

What good is it that your console beat the other one if all the third parties go mobile?


What you say is not necessarily wrong but it is a very LIMITED and NARROW look at the game. You are only looking at it from a GLOBAL perspective as if all regions are affected only by the average sales. That's just not true. Your arguments WILL hold for North America, but elsewhere NOT.

There will be many region specific or region tailored games. Because of the dominance of PS4 in Europe, and in Japan, and basically everywhere but the English Speaking Countries, you'll see a huge shift towards playstation, many of those titles going with either of the following options...

- there will be a lot more third party games exclusive to PS4 than XB1,

- there will be more games created with PS4 in mind first, then ported over

- there will be many games released first on PS4

- there will be games with more additional content for PS4

- the graphical gap will widen as there will be more games taking advantage of the supeior PS4 hardware.

 

The relative experience you'll get to enjoy with XB1 will heavily depend on your region. The LEAST disparity will be in NA, which is pretty much what we see today (or a bit larger), but the gap will turn into a chasm elsewhere, especially in Japan (and to some extent in the Continental Europe).



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Regional Analysis  (only MS and Sony Consoles)
Europe     => XB1 : 23-24 % vs PS4 : 76-77%
N. America => XB1 :  49-52% vs PS4 : 48-51%
Global     => XB1 :  32-34% vs PS4 : 66-68%

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i <3 indies so your argument is void.

...also, the more ps4 sells in relation to xbone the less likely (more expensive) MS will be able to moneyhat games like deadrising, titanfall, plants vs zombies garden warfare, peggle 2, ect.



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ironmanDX said:
JoeTheBro said:
No no no. Do you forget that the Wii U isn't getting any ports? If the difference between XBONE and PS4 becomes large enough, lots of games will be PS4 exclusive by default.


What?

Even the original Xbox got decent 3rd party support during the PS2 era, also, what of the Wii last gen?

It's not that the XBONE won't get decent 3rd party support, but that the PS4 could get lots of 3rd party exclusives. The Wii last gen shows my point too. Just because a publisher could get a few more sales by releasing on another system, that doesn't mean they'll make the port. The OP is saying these guys are so hungry for money that the XBONE will always and forever get every 3rd party game unless someone pays them not too.



Soleron said:
JoeTheBro said:
No no no. Do you forget that the Wii U isn't getting any ports? If the difference between XBONE and PS4 becomes large enough, lots of games will be PS4 exclusive by default.

It's already clear that the difference won't be anywhere near that large in the US, AND current PS4 sales alone cannot sustain all the games in development. Third parties will be compelled to bring everything to Xbox One anyway.

I really really really disagree with that. PS4 will have a fair share of 3rd party exclusives. If you're into Japanese games, it'll have a boat load of 3rd party exclusives. The XBONE unlike the Wii U should keep relatively good 3rd party support, but that doesn't mean there won't be games that skip it. Heck already PS4 is getting some 3rd party games that aren't on XBONE. Injustice skipped XBONE probably because of KI instead of console sales, but it's still an example of a pub not being compelled to bring everything to XBONE anyway.

 

 

really really really really really really really disagree lol



Sort of agree, I think that the 8th gen is where developers need to shed a lot of diluted and spent gameplay mechanics in order to reel in sales, even franchises like Call of Duty will suffer from heavy fatigue.
Having 3-4 titles setting the bar for almost everyone else is not good for anyone; it's a creative yoke that prevents variation and depth and as long as reviewers keep on hammering the 9's and consumers, the false sense of worth in modern software will persist.

Part of the problem for me is that I'm sick of developers chasing after the next big fad, then they stumble upon it and milk it to death, the proverbial box to think outside has gotten smaller and smaller for creativity despite the industry growing. My hope lies with the Indies in the coming years though; I have had some amazing game experiences due to the small guys.



platformmaster918 said:
darthdevidem01 said:
I think companies that spam out entries in series every year simply have to accept that declines will come eventually.

Let's look at R* on the other hand....they spend years working hard and it seems to pay off.

GTAV has become the best selling in the series, GTAIV legged its way up to 25 Million shipped too.

Companies should become a bit more humble once more!

franchise fatigue is real and companies should cycle IPs.  I'm the biggest Ratchet fan you'll ever meet but after ACiT (my favorite game ever) they should have taken a break until PS4.  If A4O, FFA, and Nexus hadn't taken so much interest out of the series (even though Nexus is alright) then a PS4 game would get some serious hype especially if they had devoted a couple years to it.

Ratchet Nexus felt like a nice return to the start of the gen and a little bit fresh (despite being exactly the same) especially if you skipped the crap ones!

Yeah, I do feel that gaming is falling apart. A strong PS4 and XB1 are probably good, but I still don't think it is going to end all that well. Just look at the percentage of the total sales of all HD games that were taken up by FIFA, CoD, AC and GTA. I haven't checked the numbers myself, but I am going to suggest that it is an alarmingly large percentage.

The problem is, the market for most games has not grown at anywhere near the growth of their budgets and that's a problem that's not going away



Completely agree with the OP. The fighting within the Console community just means that people focus less on the real problem - it might be the last console generation.