Don't get me wrong I still think this is a very big 'if', it would make little sense for Ubisoft to cancel this game at this late stage, but I think you've put the horse before the cart here, I can't buy a game they if they don't release it.

I have supported Ubisoft (and other worthy third party efforts) up to this point, but if they were to pull this game at this stage it would strongly indicate that they have little intention of providing the Wii U serious support going forward.  If they cancelled Watch Dogs I would be disappointed but there would be little that I could then do to convince them to provide ongoing support to the Wii U, I've already done all I can, or at least all that I am willing to do up to this point.

I don't personally care whether Ubisoft has seen game sales that have matched their expectations on the Wii U, but for my part I have purchased 4 of their games.  If they stop supporting the Wii U, I will do the only thing I as a consumer can do and that's express my dissatisfaction. They've already got my money and I can't sell my games back to them but I can show my frustration as a consumer buy potentially costing them new sales through making my games available second hand.

I will not stoop to purchasing second-tier releases in hopes that it might convince them to again consider 'real' support for the Wii U in the future because we saw how well that worked out on the Wii. They already burned WiiU owners once with the Rayman shenanigans, this would be a second time. Again this wouldn't necessarily stop me from supporting any of their future, quality releases but I can't buy a game that they don't release, and with this game in particular it would annoy me.

Having said all of that, I fully expect Watch Dogs to be released on the Wii U and if it's a good game, I will buy it :)

Yes that's what I was pretty much saying, but I guess I did a poor job wording it.

Sorry, is it new standard to try and spin the words of a poster, if you can't argue against it?

First, I didn't spoke about 3rd-parties in general, so I don't know why you brought up Tekken, Sonic or NFS. Later in your post you extend my critcism towards Ubisoft to all 3rd-parties. I didn't mention 3rd-parties at all, it was about Ubisoft specifically. To be precise, I think Batman Arkham City, NFS:MW or Deus Ex have a great quality, bugs are mostly weeded out and the edges are polished. Some might not like the gamepay or other stuff, but clearly these games have good quality, meaning no or only minor bugs and good polish, nothing like the ridiculous loading times I mentioned for Splinter Cell (that's something you can work away with time and work).

Secondly you name three Ubisoft games. Of these I clearly stated Rayman Legends is the exception and has high quality. I didn't say anything about Black Flag, as I didn't play it.

Third, I never mentioned Nintendo as godlike or the like. Nintendo makes good and bad games. But basic quality issues are usually good for them, bugs are only few and mostly minor. There are exceptions, but not much. The games you mentioned, Pokemon Rumble U and Game&Wario (can't say anything about Dr. Luigi) are mediocre or even bad. I'm especially not happy about Game&Wario. But these games have not these big bugs.

I also agree with you, that ZombiU and especially legends make pretty good use of the gamepad.

And now - you didn't see any bugs in ZombiU? Did you play it? There were minor bugs and glitches, but it was going up to the gamebreaking stuff. You could with bad timed deaths lose key items while the progress was still blocked. It happened for many in the hospital, that angered many people, because the only way is to restart the game and you lose a lot of progress. I encountered something similar pretty much in the beginning, had to restart the game too. That wasn't that bad as I lost about 10 or 15 minutes of play, but such things shouldn't happen at all with proper quality control.

You also say bugs are patched pretty fast. In my post I spoke about Assassins Creed III, that I started to play a year after release. Still I encountered bugs like these:

https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYQHAAABAAC_UqFKPY8NZw _> you can see the objective (killing the commander of the fort) is marked, but the commander isn't visible, the marking and the distance shows he is below the ground.

or this: https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYQHAAABAACNUKEdJanfoA

Ubisoft had a year to patch these and I downloaded already big patches as I bought it. Stuff like this is an issue with the nquality control.

I don't know why everyone is telling me as an owner of a Nintendo-console I should tolerate stuff like that and even reward it with first-day-purchases. And as an owner of a Nintendo-console I'm seemingly also have the right to criticize stuff like that, as in that case I'm only unfair to third-party and would never say the same about the 'godlike' Nintendo. Fact is: I criticize Nintendo alot. But so far my track record suggests, that Nintendo has a better quality control as Ubisoft. And Square-Enix, Atlus or Warner also have better quality control than Ubisoft.

You purchase Atlus-games. And I agree, Atlus makes great games with excellent quality.

I do care, though I said otherwise earlier. The problem I have with most of these companies is that their decisions are so short-sighted and misguided. How can EA claim to have even tried? Everything they put out was doomed. Look at how great their sports games are for Xbone and PS4. Did Wii U even get half of that quality/effort? If Nintendo didn't give you time with the console, EA, then don't rush it. More so, does it make sense to not even give a full effort for just one year, in 2013, with a full year to develop a good FIFA 14 or Madden?

We had Ubisoft delay Rayman to boost sales. But if I were CEO, I wouldn't have delayed it; the install base numbers may be high, but timing was everything. The title had no competition, had the potential to be a big system seller, looked great, and was prominently featured everywhere. The delay meant the game lost all other advantages, and fell prey to a busy September. It was an awful business decision... that was made to help the business? How are these people employed???

Deus Ex was a HUGE surprise, and very pleasant to discover. I've been playing it constantly since I got it for my birthday recently, and it's a big improvement on an already great game. The same thing happened, there, release-wise. Though the install base is bigger on other platforms, those people wouldn't be as interested to buy, as they've seen the game before.

Unlike previous generations, we aren't getting platform parity with a lot of third party titles. Madden 2005, the EA 007 games, etc. all were great on GameCube. Since late-life cycle of Wii, nobody gives a crap. That's why I've grown so sour.

Do Killer Instinct, War Gods, Mortal Kombat Trilogy, Mortal Kombat 4, Mace: The Dark Age, or Fighter's Destiny help cut it?

@ N64/PS1 debate: I think we can all agree the 5th Generation was by far the best one .

@ OP: It's still available for pre-order on WiiU, with no more or less information on it than the other versions. Even the special-edition. I think it'll still come to WiiU. If Ubisoft want my money, they'll want to release it on WiiU. I'll only get it there, because I think the GamePad would be great for this game. Still interested in the game, and will buy if it's on WiiU, but I must admit, they aren't really doing a good job of selling this game to me. It looks worse every time there's new info, and now these delays...

Killer Instinct Gold was just a port of 2, Trilogy another port. MK4 was ok, Mace was a terrible game same as Fighter's Destiny. SO no it doesnt help cut it if you were a fighting game fan you were still SOL. THose games dont come CLOSE to Street Fighter, Rival Schools, Darkstalkers, Tekken, Bushido Blade, Bloody Roar, etc. I could go on but ill stop. IMHO N64 doesnt come close to PS1 in this category in terms of quantity AND quality.

True, the PS1 had more but dismissing good games because they were ports?  Where else where you going to play Killer Instinct Gold!?  It was an arcade game like almost all of the games you mentioned.  But yeah, we'll stop.  I had Killer Instinct Gold back in 96.  When my friend let me borrow his PS1 with Tekken and Street Fighter Alpha, I decided I was gonna buy a PS1....and I did.  It wasn't "Just Smash Bros." as mentioned before, though.

Where else was i going to play KI Gold? On SNES, that game was just an updayed port of KI 2, i could play that in arcade, it wasnt exactly exclusive and honestly i never liked that series so for ME its not a point in N64s favor. Way better fighters than that out there. Fair enough for me as a HUGE fighting game fan, N64 was a weak system. It didnt have near the amout of game in the genre and the ones it had were mostly mediocore and it missed stuff like SF which is a no no. Im not dismissing them. im saying the whole thing kinda blew. thats just me.