The blue ocean is *always* around. The point of it is that nobody is hunting there.

Well I think they have been conditioned to it by Nintendo. It would be hard to justify them going up to say $400-$500 at launch even if it had alll the media player funcitons like the competition. 

The thinkg that shits me about consoles in general is that people value them less then their mobile phones (and mobiles even cost more), yet peopel change them every year (granted they do upgrade and sell the old).  Imagine how much better consoles would have been if people accepted a $800 norm price for consoles. 

That would have had some influence on the quantity of third party game, certainly, but I still don't think it would have ultimately made that much of a difference since a lot of the third party games that were on the system sold poorly anyway.

Have you been living under a rock? Sony listened to the gamers this time around. They refused to incorporate all that DRM garbage, didn't make the system always online, changed the controller, got rid of the Cell, made the PS4 easier to develop 4, charged a reasonable price for powerful hardware, and didn't force a camera down our throats. Face the facts Zero, Sony's making a lot of right calls this gen. Don't let your hatred of them blind you. 

They would firstly need to catch up from the far distance in most aspects and offer at the same time new things to get the majority of people interested in Nintendo again.
At the same time Sony and Microsoft will move forward too especially cause Sony already was in such a weird situation for them(and probably won't slack off again) and Microsoft just pulled back before they slaughtered themself early on.They never ever will take their success for granted again.
Things like their devs not knowing XboxLive and PSN and their relationships with 3rd Party got even worse over the years aren't easy to make forgotten.People and Developers feels safe with Sony/Microsoft and their strategy.

Why I have to correct statments like yours over and over again is beyond me. The only thing the Gamecube shared with MS and Sony was the power. The controller was not standard, being that it only had one analog stick and a tiny little plastic nub. The media was not a standard DVD. The console was purple with a handle and it didn't push online gameplay AT ALL.

Nitnendo hasn't released a console that uses intdustry standards since the SNES. Ironically, that was the last sucessful "hardcore" console they released. That's what people mean when they say "pull a Sony". They mean, release something like a PS4, only with Nintendo games.

expensive device with few games, most of wich are cross gen multiplats and paid online. lot's of wrong calls.

Expensive? I think it's reasonably priced, Sony's probably making a loss on it. And of course it doesn't have that many games! It just came out! The WiiU didn't get a decent library until a year after launch. PS4's got Infamous, Transistor, Uncharted, Rime, Shadow of the Beast, and Driveclub all coming this year. They also have new indie titles releasing every month. The paid online is annoying but PS+ is a great service and I'll happily continue paying it. 

it's 400 dollars, it's expensive. this isn't a dsicussion about wii u but now that you mentioned, it will take at least a year for ps4 to (maybe) have a decent library too.

I used the WiiU as a example to prove my point that no system is going to have a massive library just a couple months after launch.