I personally just don't get the appeal of playing casual games on a little smartphone screen. I can see it with the tablet,but touch screen controls just flat out suck in my opinion. I've tried them and that's one of the main reasons I won't even attempt to play any game on my I-phone anymore. I think there that bad. I think there's regular third party controls for those devices,but why not just buy a dam gaming console for my T.V.,instead of going through all that trouble,with casual puzzle games? 

$600

I dont see how WiiUhas the same issue, MS cut will help but its not happening any time soon.

I think it'll happen sonner then people think,if the gap get's to big. 

Honeslty they will piss of alot of people, if they cut after 6 months and i dont get some free shit to make it up to me i will ditch the Xbone!

The way I see it is you have 3 distinct groups of people who bought a last gen console.

The core gamer - Zelda, Uncharted, Gears, Mass Effect, Smash Bros. God of War, Forza.

The casual gamer - COD, GTA, Fifa, Madden, Need for Speed.

The casual "consumer" - Wii Sports, Wii Fit, Kinect.

I believe the problem for both Nintendo & Microsoft is the last category of people who have either moved on to tablets and mobile gaming or are happy with their current Wii, 360 Kinect and see no reason for an upgrade.

Hell, my 73 year old father has a Wii, my 33 year sister who has no interest in gaming also. They have both been collecting dust for the past few years. The casual consumers have moved on and aren't coming back.

I think Sony, Nintendo & Microsoft will all do well with their respective core gamer audience.

Sony and to a lesser extent Nintendo will do well with the casual gamer, which leaves Microsoft in a dangerous position since they invested so heavily in another "gimmick" to attract the casual consumer who I honestly believe has no interest in dumping $500 to change the TV channel with their voice.

The point of the XBONE doesn't matter. A non gamer is not going to spend $500 for TV voice features when a $50 device can do the same thing better. A casual gamer would probably prefer the XBONE since it is an all in one device with gaming and TV, but you certainly didn't describe your father as one of those. Talking to the TV is a selling feature, but only against the PS4.

Yep not to mention using voice gets old and monotonous really quick....Hardly a selling feature. MS is in a spot of trying to sell something people simply don't need or want.

Lets not forget, PS4 will be just as capable with their own TV sercice, game streaming, etc....... It's not like the x1 is doing anything new or that people can already do better elsewhere.

Hate to burst your bubble but the Wii U was the top stop at the start of this generation.  We can however agree that it won't be there long.

Just look at threads from 2007 or so. They are funny as hell!

So yes, I agree, we don't know nothing yet. But it sure looks good for dat PS4.

I think it comes down to the simple fact that Nintendo got lucky with the Wii mote and Wii sports , then they believed that it's succes was simply down to Nintendo's innovation rather than as is often  the case when a new product becomes an unexpected success , it simply was the right thing at the right time and captured the publics attention.

  Quite often the people behind these type of succes stories believe they where firmly in control of those events and  believe that their new audience is there because of  them , or in Nintendo's case , Nintendo rather than the Wii itself , so instead of catering for and trying to keep this new audience going forward , they go looking for the next big thing and for them that's doubly hard since their success was built on not just the hardware  , but compelling software so we get 3D and the pad and things go back to pre Wii levels.