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JoeTheBro on 16 January 2014
gergroy said:
JoeTheBro said:


What can the XBONE do that the PS4 can't? The big things at the moment are suspend/resume, snapping, and TV in. Are casuals going to really want to spend $40 more just for those features and Kinect tracking when the PS4 is better in every other way? Also suspend/resume is coming and snapping would be very possible to port to PS4. If you are correct about casuals really valuing those features, Sony can implement all of them very quickly except HDMI in.

Tv in could actually be a big deal for casuals.  I know my 70 year father likes the sound of just being able to talk to his tv instead of using a remote.  If microsoft can get the price down, I can easily see microsoft being able to market to that casual crowd.  I still think the ps4 will lead globally, but I think microsoft will retain majority here in the US.

If your father is just interested in talking to the tv, wouldn't he be far more likely to get the comcast x1 or another cable box that does that? The X1 is only $50-$100 if you already have cable. It doesn't sound like he's interested in gaming, so even at $400 Microsoft would have a really hard time selling to this crowd.



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FlamingWeazel on 16 January 2014

Not the "X1 does media like the ps4 can't" again. The ps4 can do everything x1 can. The only thing ms tried different is using a HDMI passthru, you still need your existing cable. So explain how a 60 year old sitting at home who watches TV would want an X1 that doesn't even support DVR? it ahs no appeal, people can already watch their cable.

The x1's media abilities are not up to par with better media devices and does not allow for anything people already don't have/need.

People who are interested in X1, ps4 will be gamers, not people who are only interested in TV. If your only interested in TV x1 offers nothing.......

I simply don;t get that argument tone bit not have I seen one counter argument to it.



ethomaz on 16 January 2014

I'm not disagreeing with you.

But I think PS4 will be first this entry generation... a lot of "low" sales from PS3 was because the late release compared with your main competitor 360... Nintendo with Wii make your own race and the battle was between PS3 and 360.

If PS3 was launched together with 360 I'm sure the same that are happening with PS4 now could happen with PS3.... the PS3 could never stay behind 360 in sales and the sales of 360 could never reach what they accomplished last gen.

This generation will show how from start to end one console in the top stop.



FlamingWeazel on 16 January 2014
JoeTheBro said:
gergroy said:
JoeTheBro said:


What can the XBONE do that the PS4 can't? The big things at the moment are suspend/resume, snapping, and TV in. Are casuals going to really want to spend $40 more just for those features and Kinect tracking when the PS4 is better in every other way? Also suspend/resume is coming and snapping would be very possible to port to PS4. If you are correct about casuals really valuing those features, Sony can implement all of them very quickly except HDMI in.

Tv in could actually be a big deal for casuals.  I know my 70 year father likes the sound of just being able to talk to his tv instead of using a remote.  If microsoft can get the price down, I can easily see microsoft being able to market to that casual crowd.  I still think the ps4 will lead globally, but I think microsoft will retain majority here in the US.

If your father is just interested in talking to the tv, wouldn't he be far more likely to get the comcast x1 or another cable box that does that? The X1 is only $50-$100 if you already have cable. It doesn't sound like he's interested in gaming, so even at $400 Microsoft would have a really hard time selling to this crowd.

Exactly, good luck trying to sell that to non gamers, what does it offer them what they can't already do? Hope they don't use PVR to boot.



BeElite on 16 January 2014
JoeTheBro said:

If your father is just interested in talking to the tv, wouldn't he be far more likely to get the comcast x1 or another cable box that does that? The X1 is only $50-$100 if you already have cable. It doesn't sound like he's interested in gaming, so even at $400 Microsoft would have a really hard time selling to this crowd.


Trust me gets old fast and annoying, yelling at the box at 3am does not work to well either.  Maybe its my accent.

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BeElite on 16 January 2014
ioi said:
BeElite said:

So other graphs do not support that argument, thus its not shown.  gotcha.

What? Any graph for any region can show the same pattern. Console sales are never constant - they pick up and drop year to year based on a number of factors. It doesn't matter which particular graph is chosen, the point is the same in all cases. I can show you graphs from Japan or from any country in Europe that show exactly the same thing. In fact, Gameboy is a classic example of this - the platform was dead in the water until Pokemon came out then went on to ultimately double its sales.

Xbox 360 sold more in 2010 than in 2009 in every region despite dropping from 2008 to 2009 so the pattern held everywhere.

What point are you trying to make exactly?


That your trying to make a World wide point while using one markets info.

Plus correct me if im wrong, what I see in your graph is the Wii and PS2 leading early and continuing that.  Which fits nicly with what PS4 is doing now leading and me saying ill continue to lead.  Liek the wii and PS2 have.   Early sales seem to be very relevent to over all out come, based on your grapth.  



Corvo on 16 January 2014

Awesome post. Going to keep an eye in the smart discussions here.

/off thread. By the way , nice site, just joined yesterday and I've been reading a few posts here, loved the level of some discussions here. Was tired of reading IGN forums. that is a nightmare ;D



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kirby007 on 16 January 2014
ioi said:
padib said:

Awesome OP. The only challenge I have to this theory is the 3DS. It doesn't have the Wii Sports-like experiences, but with big gamer games like Pokemon, Mario and Monster Hunter, it is doing quite well and should catch up to the DS over time.

Well it is the same with the GB / DS line really. GBA sold 70m units, DS sold 140m - why? Nintendogs (25m), Brain Training (20m each) and massives successes for 3rd parties such as Ubisoft - the DS was seeing huge sales for titles like Cooking Mama, the Imagine series, Petz games and so on. This is where the smartphone / tablet argument holds since much of that crowd is now playing games like those on their iPhones for free and haven't felt the need to upgrade to a 3DS.

Nintendo's biggest mistake this gen is to think that some half-baked sequels to Nintendogs, Brain Training, Wii Sports and Wii Fit would sell hardware like they did last gen - unfortunately those boats have long gone. If they want to emulate the success they had with Wii and DS they need new mega-hits that that will be this gens version of those past successes rather than just making new versions and assuming that will be enough. Unlike Mario, Mario Kart and Zelda, titles like Wii Sports, Nintendogs and Brain Training were very much of their time and did so well because they were new and different.

I can see Nintendo focus solely on a Nintendo Tablet in the future with connectivity options with television ( so basicly removing wii u console but keeping the controller )



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theprof00 on 16 January 2014

@ioi
The question really though, is what features really persuade a customer to upgrade to a One from a 360? In your OP, you mention that people don't know what a WiiU is, or why they should upgrade. You also mention people might already be satisfied and won't be spending 300$ for minimal improvement.
In what ways do you suggest xb1 has really improved over the x360 in the casual sense?
All the streaming content is still there.
All the kinect stuff is still there.
Much larger library on 360.
Really not much has changed, wouldn't you agree?

That, imo, is MS' biggest problem at the moment. I don't see casuals jumping on board later on, when the 360 is already available. 500$...even 350$, is much more than an extremely similar product.

EDIT: Not to mention that some of the must have features like voice based channel selection, is available already right in your cable box, or on your tv, or through your phone, or dongle, etc etc etc..for a tenth of the price.



Turkish on 16 January 2014

I think no marketing can save the Wii U. People, non gamers were interested in the Wii because of how quirky the Wiimote was. Wii U doesn't have that element, a screen in a device you hold in your hand... people have already seen tablets. It also has Wii Fit U and that doesn't work neither to get in the non gamer.

Xbox the same, 360 took off in year 5 thanks to Kinect, yet Xbox one already has Kinect, they won't have a similar device for the future because they already have and swore by the new Kinect. What can they actually introduce that can make them both work together? VR headset like it's rumored for PS4? Won't work, other than positional tracking which renders the Kinect basically a webcam. The console is also more expensive than PS4 and no way it will ever undercut the PS4.