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JoeTheBro said:
gergroy said:
JoeTheBro said:
gergroy said:

Tv in could actually be a big deal for casuals.  I know my 70 year father likes the sound of just being able to talk to his tv instead of using a remote.  If microsoft can get the price down, I can easily see microsoft being able to market to that casual crowd.  I still think the ps4 will lead globally, but I think microsoft will retain majority here in the US.

If your father is just interested in talking to the tv, wouldn't he be far more likely to get the comcast x1 or another cable box that does that? The X1 is only $50-$100 if you already have cable. It doesn't sound like he's interested in gaming, so even at $400 Microsoft would have a really hard time selling to this crowd.


You are right somwhat, but still missing the point.  The point is that it is a selling feature that appeals to non gamers or casual gamers.  Im sure if i showed him a fishing game or a card game on the x1 he would like that as well.  Consumers may be able to get a device that does something similar for cheaper, but the point of the x1 is combine everything into one device.

The point of the XBONE doesn't matter. A non gamer is not going to spend $500 for TV voice features when a $50 device can do the same thing better. A casual gamer would probably prefer the XBONE since it is an all in one device with gaming and TV, but you certainly didn't describe your father as one of those. Talking to the TV is a selling feature, but only against the PS4.


First of all, the console wont be 500 forever.  Heck, it probably wont even make it a year at 500.  This is a conversation about how this generation hasnt even started yet, remember?  The x1 will probably spend the majority of this generation at or below the $300 mark (i assume). Look at my original post, notice how i said IF microsoft gets the price down?

secondly, it is a feature that can attract a casual persons attention, it is microsofts job to give them a reason to buy it.  Again, this gen is early, mass appeal games can be made, features added, etc. that could do that.  What the tv in does is grab the attention of somebody that may have never looked or wanted to look at a gaming device. That is why I say it COULD be a big deal for casuals.

 



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ioi said:
mjk45 said:

I think it comes down to the simple fact that Nintendo got lucky with the Wii mote and Wii sports , then they believed that it's succes was simply down to Nintendo's innovation rather than as is often  the case when a new product becomes an unexpected success , it simply was the right thing at the right time and captured the publics attention.

I agree to an extent but I think it was more than just an accident - Nintendo stuck gold with Wii Sports but it was still a calculated thing - they knew what they were doing and luckily it came off. Sometimes these things work and sometimes they don't. With Wii U and Nintendo Land they misjudged things badly and it backfired on them.

they were to lazy. but atleast they tried, and nintendo will try it again next gen. its nintendos way, they took great risks all of the time.

sometimes they WIIn sometimes they Virtual Boy, ehm i mean lose.



ioi said:
mjk45 said:

I think it comes down to the simple fact that Nintendo got lucky with the Wii mote and Wii sports , then they believed that it's succes was simply down to Nintendo's innovation rather than as is often  the case when a new product becomes an unexpected success , it simply was the right thing at the right time and captured the publics attention.

I agree to an extent but I think it was more than just an accident - Nintendo struck gold with Wii Sports but it was still a calculated thing - they knew what they were doing and luckily for them it came off. Sometimes these things work and sometimes they don't. With Wii U and Nintendo Land they misjudged things badly and it backfired on them.

I never meant to imply that it was all luck , the product still has to deliver , but the size of the success was unexpected (just look at their  historical home console sales figures) and I'm sure so was the demographic that jumped onboard , so my point was more about  Nintendo not trying to capitalise on what had occured and building on what had made the Wii  a success , instead it became we innovate where others follow the market and thats why where a success forgetting that since Sony entered the market this is their first home console to be the sales  leader.

The trouble with following up the Wii is in many respects due to how much more succesfull it was in comparison to it's predecessors and also that part of it's success is due to casual gamers many who bought the Wii as a single use device  and haven't been accustomed to moving forward when the next console arrives .



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oldschoolfool said:
zuvuyeay said:
the boffins at these gaming headquarters better get working then for that big hitting experience,the phone/tablet market is so massively popular now it is hard to see them noticing our consoles,i think the "media box" is the best effort to get into every lounge off the bat,microsoft are in a good position and maybe they can get a kinect experience that has the wow factor for the casuals,price and games will be as important as ever

ms & sony are basically subscriptions now too aren't they,i know everything is media/phone/internet wise but you have to be dedicated to give a monthly to console companies unless they start tying it in with other services


I personally just don't get the appeal of playing casual games on a little smartphone screen. I can see it with the tablet,but touch screen controls just flat out suck in my opinion. I've tried them and that's one of the main reasons I won't even attempt to play any game on my I-phone anymore. I think there that bad. I think there's regular third party controls for those devices,but why not just buy a dam gaming console for my T.V.,instead of going through all that trouble,with casual puzzle games? 

well it is not my thing either but many people game on their phone casual wise and some of these phones do have big screens now,like half tablets some of them,it will be interesting this gen to see how many people actually want a console in their lounge anyone getting near 100m will have done extremely well 

what reasons would people list why they will beat the 80m of PS360 ,i'm assuming the wii won't be beaten,new markets seems liek a reason



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I'm entirely convinced that if Nintendo released Nintendogs + Cats for the Wii U instead of for the 3DS as the launch bundle instead of Nintendo Land, the Wii U would have exploded far more.

First, it would have showcased the tablet's promise far better than Nintendo Land could have. Same as the DS, but bigger.
Second, dogs and cats are far more relatable to a casual audience than obscure Nintendo characters.
Third, it would have shown off how good games could look on the Wii U. Realistic fur and environments. Open world.
Four, it has the same replay value that games like Animal Crossing have. It's hard to stop playing.
Five, everybody loves dogs and cats. Everybody.
Six, it's easier to market to someone who doesn't usually play games. Metroid Blast isn't.

But Nintendo is a smart company. They've made mistakes, but they've made more money than anyone who will ever comment on these forums. All three of the consoles have. The Wii may have been a fad, but it was a calculated one. The 3D for the 3DS wasn't the kind of jarring jump that the DS was. It was clearly meant to be to the DS what the GBA was to the Gameboy; a perfection of the original.

The Wii U is very clearly not that. If it was, The Wii U would have come with a VR head set and it's controller would have been an upgraded version of the original Wii Remote(Plus) like the Razer Hydra or the STEM System. It would have come bundled with a travel simulator, not a conventional game. That's the perfected version of what the Wii was. (and a way more interesting concept to me than the Wii U)

The Wii U is trying to do something different from the Wii. It's difference is much more jarring. That's why the naming convention doesn't make sense to me. Why didn't they just name the console itself the "Nintendo Gamepad?" That get's the point across that the system is completely different and not an upgraded concept, highlights what is exactly different, and sounds good.

Why did they design the system so similarly to the Wii? There are 101 different shapes and sizes to chose from. Even an illuminating icon would have been enough to make it look different. A different sheen would have done it. A pattern on the front or top of the box that was unique to the system. Anything. Maybe even everything, but most importantly, something.

I already spoke of my sentiment of their game bundle choice. Nintendogs + Cat's would have been better. Here's another though for the U.S. A Nintendo exclusive Football game called Quarterback or Coach: NFL. (The N is for Nintendo) One of the most innovative uses of the Gamepad and casually appealing games on the Wii U was Madden. You could make out plays on the gamepad and then see them play out on the game. If they made a visually impressive game like that where the main gameplay came from drawing out strategic plays on the gamepad and then playing as the football players from a behind the back view it would have been unique, exclusive, and had massive appeal to it's chosen market.

But like I said, I think Nintendo should have gone with VR instead. But that's just me. Release it with a game called Impossible Dream or even a simple "Virtual Reality Simulator." In the game is a just a simulator where you get to explore different impossible places. One is just a home on a beautiful island. One is a space mission to the moon. One is space flight simulator with aliens. One is a roller coaster theme park. One takes you skydiving. One let's you explore a haunted mansion with ghosts. A driving sim etc. THAT has market appeal. Even if the console were priced at like $500, it would be considered affordable, it would have continued what the Wii did, the name "Wii U" would have made sense, and it would have been a well calculated fad sparker. And for the hardcore crowd? Aside from the obvious "Call of Duty VR" appeal, there would be the exclusive Metroid VR. In fact, any first person game would essentially be an exclusively superior Nintendo experience. They could have had a Netflix: Theatre Mode, where you could watch your movies in a virtual movie theatre with an audience. (Obviously with an option for no audience.)

Oh, and you could still play games on the TV if you wanted.

Shoulda, coulda, woulda, but didn't. Maybe they still can, but I doubt that they will.

Still, Nintendo has a smart team. They wouldn't have done the Wii U if they didn't have something up their sleeves. My guess is the development time hit that game the hardest.



sonys gonna get over 10+mil more in jap alone compared to ms,if this if that if if if,playstation is more popular worldwide compared to the xbox brand... the one will/is selling quite well,its just that the ps4 is the new ps2.. I think this is the earliest ever in a console war that we already(realistically) know where everyone is gonna finish.

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kirby007 said:
ioi said:
kirby007 said:

I can see Nintendo focus solely on a Nintendo Tablet in the future with connectivity options with television ( so basicly removing wii u console but keeping the controller )

Yeah. I said their biggest mistake was to assume those previous mega-hits will still work today but their second biggest is with their hardware. Most people have no interest in the 3D element of the 3DS (the 2DS is what the platform should always have been IMO) and with Wii U they know they need to do something to compete with tablets but don't really know what? Once they get it right and get the right software for Wii U (or some kind of successor / spinoff) and release some hardware-selling software then they may see some success again.

With both 3DS and Wii U, Nintendo released a new hardware element (3D and tablet) like they had the gen before (dua +l touch screen and motion control) but no software to show it off and make it a must-have. Until they can figure out the point of the Wii U tablet controller then nobody is going to buy it - simple as that! If they can, and convince the casual public why they need it like they did with motion controls - then they could turn things around enormously but at the moment that is looking unlikely...

They need the same approach as last gen but something that is innovative and new today instead of just recycling what was new 6-7 years ago.

So i made a general prediction for the 8th gen

 

Xbox One

Playstation 4

WII U

NINTENDO TAB

Total NEW hardware sales

2012

0

0

2.200.000

0

2.200.000

2013

2.100.000

3.500.000

3.000.000

0

8.600.000

2014

7.900.000

13.000.000

6.000.000

0

26.900.000

2015

14.000.000

13.500.000

5.500.000

0

33.000.000

2016

13.500.000

13.000.000

5.000.000

0

31.500.000

2017

12.500.000

13.500.000

2.000.000

12.000.000

40.000.000

2018

11.000.000

12.500.000

0

18.000.000

41.500.000

2019

11.500.000

12.000.000

0

19.000.000

42.500.000

2020

9.000.000

10.000.000

0

19.500.000

38.500.000







TOTALS

81.500.000

91.000.000

23.700.000

68.500.000


 

Note one:

I expect that Nintendo will follow up the wii u with a different console end 2016 ( wii 2 a.k.a. nintendo tab. higher sales due to the fact tablets have a much bigger target audience )

Note two:

Sony currently looks like to be #1 during the 8th gen

Note three:

Microsoft will once again build a solid userbase, but will lose the "war" with around 9 million unit difference

 

Care to make a general prediction yourself?


This graph is a representation of what we are seeing at the moment, correct? (As in, PS4 leading, X1 just behind, Wii U not doing so hot)

I would like to point out that this gen we're seeing a surge in development costs, so for all we know, early sales should technically take a hit, as consumers won't see the value in machines that don't have the "WOW" factor in visuals (Jump from SD to HD last gen), as well as a required subscription to play online.  No doubt those higher development costs might also lead to more expensive games (As the jump from $50 on PS2 to $60 on ps3+on disk dlc)

Just my little view on the matter. Be free to correct me if there is anything wrong with what I said.



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The generation may not be over by any means but the battle lines are drawn.. especially on vgc. Nearly all of us new who we'd choose before it began. So on this site we will declare sony victorious as fact until it's unproven. It's not who wins or loses, it's who the majority wants to pretend won or lost.