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seriously........

So little was written in the OP, but it is clear some form of your self worth is invested in PS4's lifetime sales.



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 I'd like to know why  people act like a 100k difference  is such a big deal.. Please someone explain it to me.. I just don't get it..



                
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Hello VGChartz - you are still 100,000 out ?

Nem said:

VGChartz values are from the 28th. Sony's are from the 31st.

edit: I confused with Microsoft.


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Max King of the Wild said:
Ponyless said:


Uhh before it was 3.9m

(3.9-4.2)/4.2 x 100= 7.1%, which is under their goal of 10%.

Why are you using 4.2m? seriously... we had official numbers for 1 and 2 million and when they hit those numbers. Ontop of which we had Nov NPD... they only had 2.2m left to track which is 14%. 

If you're honestly being serious with that, i don't think it's worth responding. That's like saying, yea you got an 8/10 on this test but when you realllllly think about it 6 of them were really easy questions so you really got a 2 out of 4 therefore you failed the test. You're trying way too hard to discredit vgchartz because you personally don't like it, there's tons of other numbers you can use if you want to do that, and you don't have to spin those numbers too.



Ponyless said:

If you're honestly being serious with that, i don't think it's worth responding. That's like saying, yea you got an 8/10 on this test but when you realllllly think about it 6 of them were really easy questions so you really got a 2 out of 4 therefore you failed the test. You're trying way too hard to discredit vgchartz because you personally don't like it, there's tons of other numbers you can use if you want to do that, and you don't have to spin those numbers too.


terrible fucking analogy and not even remotely similar. Your telling me if VGC tracked the Wii at 5m sales last year and it only sold 3m that would be fine because they are only 2% off? lol lol lol



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Why should VGC adjusts, while the console is mostly sold out, it isn't completely sold out. Stock is available in some countries. Shipped will never totally equal sold until a console has been dead and gone for years.



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Max King of the Wild said:
Ponyless said:

If you're honestly being serious with that, i don't think it's worth responding. That's like saying, yea you got an 8/10 on this test but when you realllllly think about it 6 of them were really easy questions so you really got a 2 out of 4 therefore you failed the test. You're trying way too hard to discredit vgchartz because you personally don't like it, there's tons of other numbers you can use if you want to do that, and you don't have to spin those numbers too.


terrible fucking analogy and not even remotely similar. Your telling me if VGC tracked the Wii at 5m sales last year and it only sold 3m that would be fine because they are only 2% off? lol lol lol

How is your analogy even remotely similar.... if in this situation they tracked it at 5m and it was actually 3m, the error would have been 40%. Where's the 2% coming from? Don't half ass your analogies.



fordy said:

Before you embarass yourself further, I urge you to backtrack through this thread , right to where I was mentioning confusion amongst new members and VGC figures in...you guess it.....2007. 

Who the hell is talking about 2013? I take it you pulled that year out of your arse for some reason, right?

This is gold....they "purposefully put extra stock...." ......yeah? Where, exactly? Care to complete that first part of the sentence? Did Microsoft rock up at stores with boxes of consoles and force them to take them? You do realised that "shipped" figures only apply once the consoles have been.....shipped, right? If there's a discrepancy between the shipped and sold figures, then you might be on to something, but if Microsoft is packing their own warehouses with stock (ie not "shipped"), then you're only clutching at straws...

To add to this, I never saw many misleading figures investors to cover up the fact that they fucked up (see: Shipped numbers on investment reports, "Total PlayStation family shipped" figures to make the dismal PS3 figures look better). It's easy to tell when a fuckup is being sugarcoated in the business/investment world.

He's talking about the Oct-Dec 2006 quarter.  Microsoft overshipped in order to hit 10 million.  There was a large shipped/sold gap at the end of the year.  It resulted in the Jan-Mar and Apr-Jun quarters being the lowest shipping by far for the 360.  It is most evident in that Jan-Mar quarter.  The next worse of the eight Jan-Mar quarters that the 360 has seen was 160% higher.

As for your last paragraph, how exactly were they misleading investors by publishing shipped numbers in their financial reports?  All three console manufacturers put shipped numbers in those reports.  They didn't start lumping together PS3/PS2 and PSP/PSV shimpent numbers until the first quarter of the 2012 Fiscal Year.  Pretty sure that was to make the dismal Vita numbers look better, not the PS3 (which was the top shipping home console the previous quarter)



Ponyless said:
Max King of the Wild said:
Ponyless said:

If you're honestly being serious with that, i don't think it's worth responding. That's like saying, yea you got an 8/10 on this test but when you realllllly think about it 6 of them were really easy questions so you really got a 2 out of 4 therefore you failed the test. You're trying way too hard to discredit vgchartz because you personally don't like it, there's tons of other numbers you can use if you want to do that, and you don't have to spin those numbers too.


terrible fucking analogy and not even remotely similar. Your telling me if VGC tracked the Wii at 5m sales last year and it only sold 3m that would be fine because they are only 2% off? lol lol lol

How is your analogy even remotely similar.... if in this situation they tracked it at 5m and it was actually 3m, the error would have been 40%. Where's the 2% coming from? Don't half ass your analogies.

An additional 2 million onto the Wii LTD would be 2%.  His point is that the error for the PS4 wasn't about LTD, but rather a specific time period.  That time period was between Dec 1st when Sony announced 2.1m and the 28th when they announced 4.2m.  So just like the Wii error would have been greater looking at 2013 vs LTD, the PS4 error is greater when looking at December vs LTD.



Yakuzaice said:
Ponyless said:
Max King of the Wild said:
Ponyless said:

If you're honestly being serious with that, i don't think it's worth responding. That's like saying, yea you got an 8/10 on this test but when you realllllly think about it 6 of them were really easy questions so you really got a 2 out of 4 therefore you failed the test. You're trying way too hard to discredit vgchartz because you personally don't like it, there's tons of other numbers you can use if you want to do that, and you don't have to spin those numbers too.


terrible fucking analogy and not even remotely similar. Your telling me if VGC tracked the Wii at 5m sales last year and it only sold 3m that would be fine because they are only 2% off? lol lol lol

How is your analogy even remotely similar.... if in this situation they tracked it at 5m and it was actually 3m, the error would have been 40%. Where's the 2% coming from? Don't half ass your analogies.

An additional 2 million onto the Wii LTD would be 2%.  His point is that the error for the PS4 wasn't about LTD, but rather a specific time period.

Uh, the difference between 3 million and 5 million is just 2%?



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