ViktorBKK said:
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LOL. Human nature was developed in the evolution. In evolutionary terms we are social life-forms: humans cannot survive on their own. We only survived and developed in evolution, because humans and their predecessors always formed groups of people that supported each other. So basically supportive systems ARE human nature.
Mnementh said:
LOL. Human nature was developed in the evolution. In evolutionary terms we are social life-forms: humans cannot survive on their own. We only survived and developed in evolution, because humans and their predecessors always formed groups of people that supported each other. So basically supportive systems ARE human nature. |
That is not what socialism means. In most forms of socialism, there is a collective form of administration that has a firm grip over the economy. In theory wealth is produced according to the ability of each individual, and then distributed by the collective according to the needs of the people. In theory this is all nice an rosy. But in reality the human beings that are given the task of administration, have historically always put their mitts in the honeypot. There are also other inherent problems like lack of productivity, but lets leave that for another conversation.
To all of you who think that policies like Obamacare can be good. I urge you to look at what happened to the european south. All these countries including mine, had a massive welfare system and a hypertrophic public sector, along with insane taxes to support them. Look where it got them. You can't repeat the same thing over and over, and expect a different result.
Makes my blood boil, i work so hard to provide a decent living for my family, yet there are people who live in the next estate along who dont work and sit around all day. They have a bigger house than me, a better car, bigger tv and all the fucking gadgets you can think of. The government need to realise that its us workers who carried our country through the recession. I believe if you are from another country you should not be allowed to reside her unless there is something you can bring to our country ie skills,willingness to work, business plans. Too many people take advantage of us for a free ride, and if you speak up you are told you are a racist..freedom of speech my arse.
| binary solo said: But by "I'm gonna be rich" she doesn't mean having 3 luxury cars and a 15 bedroom mansion. She means having enough money to get by while living in reasonable accommodations and having a bit left over. And if she's actually a good mum (might be doubtful) having a bunch of kids and raising them by herself is hardly an easy life. And if she's not a good mum she's mostly going to be miserable because her kids are going to make her life hell. I don't know how it is exactly in the UK, but here the child support payments from the father(s) contributes to but does not augment the welfare money received from the state. So only if the father is really wealthy and their 20% of net income (I think) exceeds the welfare payment does the mother actually get more than the standard welfare payment. And in that situation there's no taxpayer money involved. As already said, the only way to get really rich off welfare is to commit fraud, and even then that's not going to be millions. Spitting out kids at regular intervals but still only getting what you're legally entitled to is only a way to secure a livable income without having to find paid employment. It's not a get rich scheme by any stretch. Beneficiaries have never caused a recession or a financial collapse or an economic downturn. All of the major economic crises have been cause by those at the top of the economic heap. If you want to actually fix society's economic ills look to the causes of the economic bad times, not the victims or the symptoms. |
Having children for self financial gain is sick and irresponsible, if the said person cant afford to keep themselves then why bring children into the world to also live in poverty. Are these children loved? or just a convenience, its simply not fair on the children. I dont know if anybody here is familier with the Mick Philpott story. The sick fuck killed 6 of his kids in a house fire, it was a stunt to try and get a bigger house that backfired, the children suffered , he wasnt interested in them, but the financial gains they bought him.
| theprof00 said: hah, I thought more dole meant the orange juice. More kids, need more orange juice. Made sense...sense enough for a man-bear thread, all things considered. |
i wass thinking pineapple juice
because local women don't do the same lol.
Australia is no different. there are bad apples ad then their are the genuine cases.
ViktorBKK said:
To all of you who think that policies like Obamacare can be good. I urge you to look at what happened to the european south. All these countries including mine, had a massive welfare system and a hypertrophic public sector, along with insane taxes to support them. Look where it got them. You can't repeat the same thing over and over, and expect a different result. |
I don't say, that some or many existing systems don't workor have big problems. I don't say such systems are misused by the mighty. All I say is: if you think supporting others isn't in human nature you're dead wrong.
Kasz216 said:
So she gets reported... then her kids don't get welfare and starve? I mean, i'm not sure i see the end game here. I guess the state could take her children... but there's nothing stopping her from having more. Then the state could take those i guess but i mean really... children raised by the state probably won't be better off.
Really it's just the sort of thing you have to live with. |
Mr Khan said:
Nowhere does the dole promise a "better" life, in the sense of something desirable. What it does is prevent abject destitution, the kind of indignity that no human should have to endure. Society as a whole does owe that much to every citizen. Realistically, the 21st century social contract should include a negative income tax to provide a guaranteed minimum income. |
Eh, i'd say it depends on the person and the dole.
I'd choose a life with a poor livable wage and all free time over anything else really.
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