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silentdj151 said:
Its funny how the 1 percent has convinced e eorld that the reason why your life is so bad and struggling because the poorest of the poor is taking it from you..classic scapegoat...wake up already

I kind of agree, but I doubt that this attitude is mainly because of "the 1%".

I've heard that it's mainly the lower middle-class / upper working-class who show the biggest hatred towards the poor/unemployed. Because they have a strong subconscious (and: quite reasonable) fear of decline of their own economic/social status, of becoming poor like these people as well. As long as it's only a fear and hasn't happened yet, we'll invent "reasons" why it won't happen to us, trying to tell ourselves that these people are different from us.

In a way, this woman simply takes advantage of certain rules of our system. And game theory suggests that pretty much everyone acts like this.



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TurboElder said:
You dont have problem with millions of muslims in the UK that after 50 years they still dont know anything about your culture, they dont even know if Robin Hood was a historical character, actually thay hate your culture, they are killing your soldiers on the streets anf you are to afraid to say anything. yet you are critisizing two white christian women, where most people from Poland is working 200h+/month and doing some shitty jobs that most spoiled brats from uk dont even consider doing.


Why the heck did you bring in religion into this thread? You blame the entire muslim community for the misdeeds of a few. Also if you're so english, why is your grammar and spelling so bad?



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Turkish said:
so anyone explained what a dole is yet

 

Jobseeker's Allowance / Unemployment living allowance.



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The thing that puzzles me is why would two Polish women be speaking English? Unless of course you speak Polish.
To talk about such matters in public using English when your native tongue is Polish seems bizarre.

Unless of course they weren't Polish to begin with. How do you know they where Polish anyway?

There seems a bit of the good old JG is in this thread.



Kasz216 said:
the2real4mafol said:
Kasz216 said:
the2real4mafol said:
I know it's a problem but i think it's widely blown out of proportion when compared with tax avoidance and stuff like the royal family. Obviously, there are people like in the OP that scrounge off the state but surely more people rely on benefits because they aren't paid enough than those who are too lazy to work. Obviously, it's wrong but really the whole system (welfare, taxes etc.) is rotten anyways.

Blame immigrants all you want, but you can't blame them for all our problems.


I dunno.  I imagine the Royal Family is a lot like college football.

It takes in more money they it costs.

I mean.  The Crown estates brings in more then the soverign grant...

and that's not even counting the fact that the minute you take away the monarchy tourism is going to take a huge hit... as it being the last living monarchy (rich white people) care about is a big tourist draw... and the various royal merchandise and branding on various stuff.

I don't really buy that argument that monarchy drives tourism here. There are so many areas for tourists to see just in London alone (let alone the rest of the UK) that i don't see why one family matters. Tourism won't stop or even go down if England became a republic. 

People come here for our history, our culture, our landmarks. That won't change if we abolished the monarchy. 

I suppose the only thing is that the monarchy is considered "British" when in reality they are all foreigners themselves anyway. Controversial, but i consider them scourgers as well. If people want to single out the poles, romanians, somalis etc as lazy scourgers then the royal family should be obvious especially with the OTT news coverage the royals get. The fact the media when on and on when that baby was born makes me despise them. They are just humans like us, why treat them as gods?

Why should they get all that money for being born into the Windsor family name and nothing else? They should have to work like everyone else. Even if they have a positive impact on tourism, they are such an antiquated and old fashion thing. Do they really have a place in English society anymore? I don't think so


You might not buy the arguement... but market researchers would disagree.  If you want to cut off.

 

Should people get money just for being born in a certain family?

 

No... but should you stop that at the cost of benefit to everybody else?

 

I can't see a reasonable arguement as to why.

I'll be honest, there is only one reason i wanted a republic. 

It's more to do with how they are glorified by the media than anything. It's just so overdone and seemingly used to cover up whatever bad stuff the government wants to do. 

Having a monarchy for over 1000 years has left an interesting mark on our history and culture. It has somehow survived against all odds. But i'm just not sure of what there purpose is anymore. 

The monarchy just shows how unequal and old-fashioned our society is, but there is no easy solution. It just annoys me when they seemingly become the only thing I hear on the news. 

Maybe they benefit tourism as some claim but there has to be more to a constitutional monarchy and royal family than that. 



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ViktorBKK said:
prayformojo said:
ViktorBKK said:
These women or parasites or however you want to call them, are not the problem. Welfare is the problem.
A government solution to a problem is always worse than the problem.


No, the problem is the fact that the fittest hoard their wealth while letting the less fit starve and/or struggle like little slaves until they die a broken down, depressed old person. If everyone in this world would chip in and help, we'd all have enough food, houses, cloths etc.


Whenever there is a system where everyone "chips in", those who administrate the system, make sure to put some in their pocket. Socialism and other collective systems always fail because they contradict human nature.

What do you mean by "human nature"?



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At least she's doing what all other (white) people in Europe fail doing. She's giving birth to children (new future workers and taxpayers). It's not like she's cheating and simulating some disability or making any kind of a fraud. The economy will benefit in the long term from such people, so don't be so critical of her. In fact, in the long run, if you work your whole life, but only have 1 kid, you'll be less valuable than such a chick with 5-6 children, who will work some day in the future. Mindblowing, but hey - that's the truth. Pity Europeans don't realise that. Think of her actions as investments, not being a parasite.



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Mnementh said:
ViktorBKK said:
prayformojo said:
ViktorBKK said:
These women or parasites or however you want to call them, are not the problem. Welfare is the problem.
A government solution to a problem is always worse than the problem.


No, the problem is the fact that the fittest hoard their wealth while letting the less fit starve and/or struggle like little slaves until they die a broken down, depressed old person. If everyone in this world would chip in and help, we'd all have enough food, houses, cloths etc.


Whenever there is a system where everyone "chips in", those who administrate the system, make sure to put some in their pocket. Socialism and other collective systems always fail because they contradict human nature.

LOL. Human nature was developed in the evolution. In evolutionary terms we are social life-forms: humans cannot survive on their own. We only survived and developed in evolution, because humans and their predecessors always formed groups of people that supported each other. So basically supportive systems ARE human nature.

I think he is trying to point out that these systems don't work because power corrupts. Give a human being lots of power as in the days of Stalin, Hitler and Moa and ultimately they exploit that power.

Look today at N Korea for example. Chinese officials are known to be highly corrupted. Look at Cuba.



Scisca said:

At least she's doing what all other (white) people in Europe fail doing. She's giving birth to children (new future workers and taxpayers). It's not like she's cheating and simulating some disability or making any kind of a fraud. The economy will benefit in the long term from such people, so don't be so critical of her. In fact, in the long run, if you work your whole life, but only have 1 kid, you'll be less valuable than such a chick with 5-6 children, who will work some day in the future. Mindblowing, but hey - that's the truth. Pity Europeans don't realise that. Think of her actions as investments, not being a parasite.


Australia has the same issue.

The problem is even though she will have 5 kids, they will end up on the dole because most liekley were never motivated to work. Here there is 3rd/4th generation dole bludgers. 

Now if we used these people to bread the kids and give them away for adoption to caring people who can't have kids then things may work out. Here it is actually easier to adopt a kid born in india then a kid born locally. What a joke right?

What governments need to do is realise we are all slaves to the system. They should think like accountants and treat us as tax payers and not meat. They need to get the ones with the most potential to  raise future tax payers to breed more, i.e. via tax benefits and rebates that working class kind of miss out on atm, like paid child care and schooling.



 

 

SamuelRSmith said:
Kasz216 said:
stlwtng4Dmdrxip said:
Report her, the welfare system should be about people with no other choice and not parasites. By the way they exist in every single country,

So she gets reported...

then her kids don't get welfare and starve?

I mean, i'm not sure i see the end game here.

I guess the state could take her children... but there's nothing stopping her from having more.

Then the state could take those i guess but i mean really... children raised by the state probably won't be better off.

 

Really it's just the sort of thing you have to live with.


Welcome to Britain.


While horrible... I just meant conception wise.