Conversation I overheard in Tesco carpark "more children = more dole"

[Mnementh]

ViktorBKK said:

Mnementh said:

ViktorBKK said:

Whenever there is a system where everyone "chips in", those who administrate the system, make sure to put some in their pocket. Socialism and other collective systems always fail because they contradict human nature.

LOL. Human nature was developed in the evolution. In evolutionary terms we are social life-forms: humans cannot survive on their own. We only survived and developed in evolution, because humans and their predecessors always formed groups of people that supported each other. So basically supportive systems ARE human nature.

That is not what socialism means. In most forms of socialism, there is a collective form of administration that has a firm grip over the economy. In theory wealth is produced according to the ability of each individual, and then distributed by the collective according to the needs of the people. In theory this is all nice an rosy. But in reality the human beings that are given the task of administration, have historically always put their mitts in the honeypot. There are also other inherent problems like lack of productivity, but lets leave that for another conversation.

To all of you who think that policies like Obamacare can be good. I urge you to look at what happened to the european south. All these countries including mine, had a massive welfare system and a hypertrophic public sector, along with insane taxes to support them. Look where it got them. You can't repeat the same thing over and over, and expect a different result.

I don't say, that some or many existing systems don't workor have big problems. I don't say such systems are misused by the mighty. All I say is: if you think supporting others isn't in human nature you're dead wrong.