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Who really won the the 7th Gen Console War?

Nintendo 138 46.46%
 
Xbox 360 30 10.10%
 
PS3 92 30.98%
 
Make Love Not War 17 5.72%
 
See Poll 17 5.72%
 
Total:294
BMaker11 on 06 November 2013
IsawYoshi said:
BMaker11 said:

No, I read everything, and understood it perfectly. Nowhere did you say the PS3 was a failure, but because it "went down" to a possible 100M, while Nintendo and Microsoft jumped considerably, you can't say Sony "won" because they let the competition catch up and didn't sell as much as last gen. Well, how many PS2s/GCs/XBs were sold? 190M? How many consoles have sold this gen? 260M? So is it really so much as "they let the competition catch up" or is it "the gaming market has expanded"? I'm sure the latter is a more legitimate answer since total home console sales have grown by almost 40%.

And like I said, regarding comparisons to the PS2, the PS2 was on the market for 13 years. The PS3 has been on the market for 7 years. You can't ignore the fact that the PS2 was available for almost double the time the PS3 has been, and then use that to knock the PS3 for "selling less". Otherwise the, like in the analogy, the iPhone 5s just hasn't done as well as the iPhone 4s (even though the 4s has been out for 2 years and the 5s has been out for 2 months)

You said yourself that the PS2 was a little over a 100 millions when the PS3 launched. First of all, the PS3 is (probably) not going to be close to that at PS4 launch, secondly, the PS3 launch was a gigantic failure, naturally leading to more people buying PS2 over a PS3 because of the price. It doesn't seem like that will be the case for PS4, which will hurt PS3 sales in comparison to PS2 sales. 

 

You stated that the market expanded. So let's look at that. PS2's gen: 190m. PS3's gen: 260m. PS2's sold at launch of PS3: 100m. PS3's sold at launch of PS4: 80m.

 

The gen as a whole was more successful, but Sony less. Doesn't really prove your point. Why didn't Sony expand? The PS3 CLEARLY let the others catch up. 

First bold: as much as we want to look at the PS3s launch as a failure (due to price, staggered launch, etc.) realize that the in terms of raw units sold, the PS3 was right in line with what the PS2 did, maybe a little less (looks like VG Chartz got rid of the aligned launch sales tool, but I remember comparing the two before). So can you really call it a gigantic failure, comparatively? It was $600 and didn't have many games, yet sold in line with what the best selling console of all time sold in the same time frame? When said console was still on the market for significantly less money? And if more people legitimately bought PS2s instead of PS3s because of the PS3s price (as opposed to, you know.....the fact that the PS2 was still massively supported. One of the best games ever, GoWII, came out in 2007) that just means that people will buy a system with similar experiences, in the beginning, but at a cheaper price, ergo, the PS3 will still sell even with the PS4 out.

Second bold: Only reason Sony didn't expand, comparative to the grand scheme of things, is because #1 Nintendo hit a demographic that was never targeted before. The "gaming" that people like you and me are used to isn't what expanded. Nintendo added a "new gaming", per se, by putting new (and different) users into the mix. Unless you think the 30-something mother of 2 that gets Wii Play to play with her kids is in the same group of 20M+ people who buy GTA or CoD #2 Microsoft tossed money around heavily. They didn't invest in new franchises and give the Xbox its own image. They went after every title that screamed "PlayStation" and got it on their platform and the result is that what made PlayStation PlayStation (yes, I put that twice) was available on more than one console. No need for everyone to get a PS3 to play GTA when you can get it on the same day and date as the PS3....on a 360. And they don't want to get into a bidding war with Microsoft. This is why Sony started over and began investing in their 1st party and 2nd party, and that's why we got LittleBigPlanet, Motorstorm, MAG, Heavenly Sword, White Knight Chronicles, and more. Why do you think everyone keeps saying "games wise, the PS3 definitely won"? But untested new IPs come with a trade off in that they aren't familiar and thus aren't "go to" or "system sellers"

edit: And just in case you think "Microsoft didn't give Xbox its own image" was unjustified, let me give you a little thought experiment. When you hear "Final Fantasy" what do you think? When you hear "Tekken" what do you think? When you hear "Metal Gear Solid" what do you think? When you hear "Devil May Cry" what do you think? When you hear "Kingdom Hearts" (big entries) what do you think? When you hear "Dynasty Warriors" what do you think? I may even still go as far as asking: When you hear "Grand Theft Auto" what do you think?

I doubt you said Xbox for any of those titles, and yet they appear on Xbox or will appear on Xbox One. When I came to this conclusion a few years ago, I realized that the 360 wasn't the "next Xbox". It was "a PlayStation with Halo" (considering what else is only on 360). And when you put a Playstation vs. a Playstation, it should be no surprise that their sales are pretty neck and neck



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Rogerioandrade on 06 November 2013

Man.. seriously

We´re in 2013... and people are still talking about console wars ?

This is soooo....1990.......

Weren´t every main console of the last-gen profitable ? This is what really matters. There are enough room in the market for more than one console, if they are managed well.



S.T.A.G.E. on 06 November 2013
IsawYoshi said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
IsawYoshi said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
IsawYoshi said:
Just because you sell the most doesn't mean they won. They went down from 150 to possibly 100 million. Nintendo went from 22 to 100. And 80 to 150. I can't see how Sony can be the winner of the gen. Although they are specificly talking about the PS3 here. Still, the PS3 let all their opponent's catch up, and we still do not know if it will be the best seller, for those that only looks at that, and not the whole picture.


Nintendo won, but they pandered to a market that cannot be salvaged because they aren't truly interested in the product enough to reinvest. Nintendo would have to capture their attention all over again with a new gimmick or an upgrade to that gimmick. 

Yes, now they have to start over again, but even so they made a gigantic comback last time, and this is about last gen, not current gen (for Wii U owners).


I dont gauge gens by when Nintendo does things. They do their own thing. I thought people would've caught on by now that for the rest of us next gen starts in a week or so.

In that case, why have the discussion in the first place? Obviously, Nintendo does their own thing, so that makes Sony the status quo winner anyway. Great.


I cannot credit Nintendo with starting the next gen if they aren't ushering in the titles that are going to be pushing what next gen is all about. I'll be consuming their product, but they are next gen in their own way. Technically speaking they've left third parties outside of Japan with very little to go off of. Its generally the third parties and first party who start off the gen on the consoles and we'll be seeing if they deliver on the other brands consoles. The industry needs to be revitalized after the past year. I think its going to happen.



IsawYoshi on 06 November 2013
S.T.A.G.E. said:
IsawYoshi said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:


I dont gauge gens by when Nintendo does things. They do their own thing. I thought people would've caught on by now that for the rest of us next gen starts in a week or so.

In that case, why have the discussion in the first place? Obviously, Nintendo does their own thing, so that makes Sony the status quo winner anyway. Great.


I cannot credit Nintendo with starting the next gen if they aren't ushering in the titles that are going to be pushing what next gen is all about. I'll be consuming their product, but they are next gen in their own way. Technically speaking they've left third parties outside of Japan with very little to go off of. Its generally the third parties and first party who start off the gen on the consoles and we'll be seeing if they deliver on the other brands consoles. The industry needs to be revitalized after the past year. I think its going to happen.

Can't say I disagree. Nintendo blew this year. I have only seen one game so far that looks next gen to me on Wii U, X, but at the same time seeing Nintendo franchises in general in HD is enough for me to define it next gen. That's obviously something you, as a not-so-into-Nintendo fan wouldn't agree with in the same way. :p



DonFerrari on 06 November 2013
Juma009 said:
DonFerrari said:
Juma009 said:
Wii wins in sales,
in Innovation, look how much they did was ripped off by the competition,
Mii's (Microsoft avatars)
Motion gaming (Move and Kinect)
Netflix (first console to have it)
Virtual Console (might be wrong about this one)
Now when it comes to games....I dont know, it comes down to exclusives, what do you like more....all big 3 have awesome exclusives but in terms of being a success the Wii won.


Welll for motion... Eye came before Wii, but the gloves on NES are realllllllllly old.

I'm pretty sure that the idea of Move and Kinect came from the Wii's success not the Eye toy





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Badassbab on 06 November 2013

I agree with both articles. MS really should have won this gen from a purely gaming pov since it had a head start and a lot of great games to begin with while Sony made one cock up after another but instead it threw it's weight behind the mostly awful Kinect, timed exclusives and a smattering of actual exclusives. Sony did a superb job of winning the gaming masses over to it's side with one amazing exclusive after another. MS really should take note of that. Sony were quite lucky on the sales front in the sense that the Japanese don't do Xbox but then again we have no idea how many extra 360s were sold due to the RROD debacle.






Michael-5 on 06 November 2013

People keep ignoring Nintendo....Nintendo won the console war in the 7th gen. DS outsold the PSP nearly 2:1 and the Wii outsold the PS3/360 by 25% (likely to drop a bit).

Sony and Microsoft are just fighting for 2nd place, but IMO Sony won. People are using the excuse that "sales don't count after a console has been replaced" to justify weak 360 sales over the last 3 years. In reality, the PS3 caught up to the 360 in overall sales with 1 year less on the market, it's still getting 1st party exclusives, and it's looking to make a sizable lead on the 360.

MS is last, but barely. Still a huge improvement from the 25 million XB1 consoles sold in the 6th gen.



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Lawlight on 06 November 2013
Carl2291 said:
Lawlight said:

Wrong. As of the 30th of September, the 360 sold 79.4M units, not 80M.

I stand corrected.

Wii - 100.3 Million as of September

360 - 80 Million as of October

PS3 - 80 Million as of November

PS3 is still behind. It only just reached the 360 sales total of 1 Month ago. Right now, the PS3 is still in dead last 3rd place. It hasnt won the console war.


Wrong again. From 17th of October to 2nd of November isn't 1 month.

Also, they shipped 600,000 X360s from 30th of September to the 17th of October. Looks like MS rounded up somewhere.



dharh on 06 November 2013
IsawYoshi said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:


I dont gauge gens by when Nintendo does things. They do their own thing. I thought people would've caught on by now that for the rest of us next gen starts in a week or so.

In that case, why have the discussion in the first place? Obviously, Nintendo does their own thing, so that makes Sony the status quo winner anyway. Great.

This whole topic was dumb to begin with. People need to seriously grow up. I may like the PS3 the best, though I own all 3. I do not give a crap who won whatever race. I only care about the games of the genre I like.

If people would first judge each company and console on its own merits _first_ then maybe compared then different consoles we could have better discussions. But alas that almost never happens.



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Wright on 06 November 2013
Michael-5 said:

People keep ignoring Nintendo....Nintendo won the console war in the 7th gen. DS outsold the PSP nearly 2:1 and the Wii outsold the PS3/360 by 25% (likely to drop a bit).

Sony and Microsoft are just fighting for 2nd place, but IMO Sony won. People are using the excuse that "sales don't count after a console has been replaced" to justify weak 360 sales over the last 3 years. In reality, the PS3 caught up to the 360 in overall sales with 1 year less on the market, it's still getting 1st party exclusives, and it's looking to make a sizable lead on the 360.

MS is last, but barely. Still a huge improvement from the 25 million XB1 consoles sold in the 6th gen.


I agree with this man. Sony had more experience, more IPs and an arguably better HD console on the technical department. Even with one year of sales missing, and too much arrogance the first years, they were bound to at least grab a giant marketshare. They ended up second. Microsoft, on the other hand, increased incredibly their amount of consoles sold, even if they ended up third. They successfully managed to be a huge roadblock in Sony's path of dominance.

So all three wins, really. Nintendo's console amassed the biggest amount of marketshare. No one has surpassed Wii's record yet, and I think no one won't (On the seventh gen at least).