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wilco said:
riderz13371 said:
wilco said:
Sleepyprince said:
"edit: was not 100 % accurate to the comic, but the comic version is not realistic."

Do not tell me you're speaking about Superman fooling everyone with a pair of glass ? ahaha comics.


LOL... In the so called "gritty and realistic" Man of Steel he does the same thing at the end. Noone recognizes him because he put on a pair of glasses.

In the end he goes to the Daily Planet. Who at the Daily Planet knows who he is other than Lois Lane. The only person who he has talked with and seen him was Lois Lane so everyone else working there just thinks he's a new employee because how can they compare him to Superman IF THEY'VE NEVER SEEN SUPERMANS FACE!

God damn why do I have to explain this to people. I thought it was logical.


First, I don't remember this forgettable movie that well, but I seem to recall that Perry White and a few others were standing right there while superman and lois were making out. Which means they know what superman looks like and should have therefore recognized him when he walked through the door. Now even if this was not the case it still doesn't explain my next problem:

In this age of smartphones there is noway that superman wouldn't be caught on camera by somebody eventually. Hes not exactly operating at night time or stealthily like Batman... with that said, how does Clark intend to just "lay low" at the Daily Planet? The movie seems to be suggesting that that is the gameplan, but how long could that possibly last?

No smartphone would be able to get a quality picture at the speed he moves. Not to mention the entire city was getting destroyed I doubt the first thing that came to peoples minds were "ERMAGERD LET'S TAKE A PICTURE OF SUPERMAN!" I don't know how he plans to stay low, I'll watch Man of Steel 2 and find out. Also I can't seem to remember Perry being there at all. I don't think Perry has ever seen Kal.



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To all the people saying "they would have seen him and his 'disguise' would have been no good," I agree with you. People did see what he looked like and "laying low" with the lame disguise and working for the paper would not have worked. But at the same time, people would LOSE THEIR MINDS if they had changed that much of the lore from the comic. Imagine the nerd rage if he didn't work there or had a mask or something.



riderz13371 said:
EncodedNybble said:
While I thought MoS was better than expected it wasn't mind blowing or anything. A lot of the writing was mediocre. The whole "this isn't super man, he would take them away from the city, etc." complaints don't hold water in my opinion. This isn't the comic, in the lore that the movie made for itself. In the movie he was a reluctant "hero" and was tormented left and right for being odd. He never really did anything but lift stuff to save people.

Basically, he never really got in a fight and never really explored his powers until he started flying around in Antarctica. Having never explored his powers or fought anyone from Kyrpton, it's sort of hard for him to know "this fight is gonna be super destructive, I should move away from the city." Sure, you can argue after the first fight, he would have known the destructive nature of the battles and moved away, but the enemies were gonna mess stuff up and blow things up looking for the....whatever it was called....regardless of where Clark was.

Also to the people saying Superman should have taken the fight away from Earth...Zod had his little gravity thing DESTROYING EARTH. You wanted Superman to just leave and say to Zod "Yo follow me let's go fight somewhere else". I'm sure Zod would have stopped his plans to demolish earth in an attempt to create a new land to live in. He would have followed Superman to an isolated enviornment just to fight him.

THAT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE NOW I UNDERSTAND! 

That thing had already been destroyed by the time Zod and Supes were fighting. So yes, they could've taken it elsewhere.



riderz13371 said:
wilco said:
riderz13371 said:
wilco said:
Sleepyprince said:
"edit: was not 100 % accurate to the comic, but the comic version is not realistic."

Do not tell me you're speaking about Superman fooling everyone with a pair of glass ? ahaha comics.


LOL... In the so called "gritty and realistic" Man of Steel he does the same thing at the end. Noone recognizes him because he put on a pair of glasses.

In the end he goes to the Daily Planet. Who at the Daily Planet knows who he is other than Lois Lane. The only person who he has talked with and seen him was Lois Lane so everyone else working there just thinks he's a new employee because how can they compare him to Superman IF THEY'VE NEVER SEEN SUPERMANS FACE!

God damn why do I have to explain this to people. I thought it was logical.


First, I don't remember this forgettable movie that well, but I seem to recall that Perry White and a few others were standing right there while superman and lois were making out. Which means they know what superman looks like and should have therefore recognized him when he walked through the door. Now even if this was not the case it still doesn't explain my next problem:

In this age of smartphones there is noway that superman wouldn't be caught on camera by somebody eventually. Hes not exactly operating at night time or stealthily like Batman... with that said, how does Clark intend to just "lay low" at the Daily Planet? The movie seems to be suggesting that that is the gameplan, but how long could that possibly last?

No smartphone would be able to get a quality picture at the speed he moves. Not to mention the entire city was getting destroyed I doubt the first thing that came to peoples minds were "ERMAGERD LET'S TAKE A PICTURE OF SUPERMAN!" I don't know how he plans to stay low, I'll watch Man of Steel 2 and find out. Also I can't seem to remember Perry being there at all. I don't think Perry has ever seen Kal.

To be fair - ERMAGERD LET'S TAKE A PICTURE OF IT is a  reaction a lot of people in the real world have towards a lot of catastrophes in the real world. Not that it would make taking a pic of Supes any easier^^



riderz13371 said:
wilco said:
riderz13371 said:
wilco said:
Sleepyprince said:
"edit: was not 100 % accurate to the comic, but the comic version is not realistic."

Do not tell me you're speaking about Superman fooling everyone with a pair of glass ? ahaha comics.


LOL... In the so called "gritty and realistic" Man of Steel he does the same thing at the end. Noone recognizes him because he put on a pair of glasses.

In the end he goes to the Daily Planet. Who at the Daily Planet knows who he is other than Lois Lane. The only person who he has talked with and seen him was Lois Lane so everyone else working there just thinks he's a new employee because how can they compare him to Superman IF THEY'VE NEVER SEEN SUPERMANS FACE!

God damn why do I have to explain this to people. I thought it was logical.


First, I don't remember this forgettable movie that well, but I seem to recall that Perry White and a few others were standing right there while superman and lois were making out. Which means they know what superman looks like and should have therefore recognized him when he walked through the door. Now even if this was not the case it still doesn't explain my next problem:

In this age of smartphones there is noway that superman wouldn't be caught on camera by somebody eventually. Hes not exactly operating at night time or stealthily like Batman... with that said, how does Clark intend to just "lay low" at the Daily Planet? The movie seems to be suggesting that that is the gameplan, but how long could that possibly last?

No smartphone would be able to get a quality picture at the speed he moves. Not to mention the entire city was getting destroyed I doubt the first thing that came to peoples minds were "ERMAGERD LET'S TAKE A PICTURE OF SUPERMAN!" I don't know how he plans to stay low, I'll watch Man of Steel 2 and find out. Also I can't seem to remember Perry being there at all. I don't think Perry has ever seen Kal.

Superman wasn't always moving at lightning speed. He stopped long enough to make out with lois lane and also give one of the cheesiest lines ever after said kiss. And I guarantee you, if the earth was being destroyed by alien invaders right now people would be taking cell phone pics. You can find cell phone pics in the middle of war zones and tonadoes. Maybe it didn't happen in MoS but at some point Superman is going to get his picture taken.



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well...technically MOS didn't get unanimously terrible reviews. It seemed to polarise critics ie some loved it, some hated it (this is a common trait with Zack Snyder movies)...I found that if you move away from sites like rotten tomato's and metacritic, and looked at a lot of the nerdier sites, it fared much better. I guess a lot of the mainstream critics are just grumpy old people who don't really understand comic book movies anyway unless they have someone charming and witty in them, making wise cracks every 2 minutes. The fans of this type of thing, on the whole, seemed to like it, that's the main thing...
I also predict that when MOS 2 arrives, there'll be a group of reviewers claiming to have loved it.



EncodedNybble said:
To all the people saying "they would have seen him and his 'disguise' would have been no good," I agree with you. People did see what he looked like and "laying low" with the lame disguise and working for the paper would not have worked. But at the same time, people would LOSE THEIR MINDS if they had changed that much of the lore from the comic. Imagine the nerd rage if he didn't work there or had a mask or something.


Thats the thing. I don't mind the lore, but they are trying to shoehorn it into this gritty and realistic take and it just doesn't work. I think the best tone would be something closer to the Paul Dini, Bruce Timm cartoons. For the life of me, I don't get why superman needs to be "realistic". I understand it with batman, but not with superman. Theres nothing wrong with Superman being a little cheesy, but if you decide your going to take out all the cheese and the humor and the joy, you don't also get to use that aspect of the lore. I'm sorry, but you can't have it both ways.



F0X said:

What was he going to do? Pin Zod down on the ground until one of them die of starvation? Zod was right - it's a fight to the death. There are no magic Kryptonian chambers capable of stripping his powers in this movie. Keeping him alive would only continue to put people in danger.


At the end of the day its up to the writers to figue this stuff out. I'm sorry but they could have easily come up with another way. Superman killing Zod was just lazy writing.

Now I'm not one of the people that thinks Superman should NEVER kill, that was not my problem with that scene. My problem was that moment hadn't been earned yet. That moment should have come at a later date, in a later movie. Going forward there is no reason for superman not to kill everyone as soon as they threaten a family of four. Also, the events preceding that moment, contradict that moment. Superman and Zod had been displaying wanton disregard for human life for pretty much the entire film and now all of a sudden superman must do the unthinkable just to protect one family despite showing zero concern earlier? If he really cared, why didn't he snap his neck sooner? Ridiculous.





wilco said:
EncodedNybble said:
To all the people saying "they would have seen him and his 'disguise' would have been no good," I agree with you. People did see what he looked like and "laying low" with the lame disguise and working for the paper would not have worked. But at the same time, people would LOSE THEIR MINDS if they had changed that much of the lore from the comic. Imagine the nerd rage if he didn't work there or had a mask or something.


Thats the thing. I don't mind the lore, but they are trying to shoehorn it into this gritty and realistic take and it just doesn't work. I think the best tone would be something closer to the Paul Dini, Bruce Timm cartoons. For the life of me, I don't get why superman needs to be "realistic". I understand it with batman, but not with superman. Theres nothing wrong with Superman being a little cheesy, but if you decide your going to take out all the cheese and the humor and the joy, you don't also get to use that aspect of the lore. I'm sorry, but you can't have it both ways.

I thought the movie was a little dark, but realistic? It's just another way to look at Superman. "How would people react if someone that can do these extraordinary things appear out of nowhere"?

I don't get these "realistic" complains.



mushroomboy5 said:
well...technically MOS didn't get unanimously terrible reviews. It seemed to polarise critics ie some loved it, some hated it (this is a common trait with Zack Snyder movies)...I found that if you move away from sites like rotten tomato's and metacritic, and looked at a lot of the nerdier sites, it fared much better. I guess a lot of the mainstream critics are just grumpy old people who don't really understand comic book movies anyway unless they have someone charming and witty in them, making wise cracks every 2 minutes. The fans of this type of thing, on the whole, seemed to like it, that's the main thing...
I also predict that when MOS 2 arrives, there'll be a group of reviewers claiming to have loved it.


Hardcore comic book fans are even more torn. Mark Waid an actual superman writer, had serious problems with this movie. A lot of die hard superman fans are not really happy with this movie. If anything the mainstream critics go easier on these kinds of movies because they don't know just how much the character is getting crapped on.

Also, your assessment of mainstream critics is silly. If one liners were really what mainstream critics were looking for then Batman and Robin would be better reviewed than The Dark Knight. But the Dark Knight is the best reviewed superhero movie of all time and it is a dark, grittty and realistic movie. Not like MoS which tries to fake it by muting the colors, removing personality, adding some grainy effects and shunning all humor. Its a terrible and failing attempt at being "gritty and realistic".