Quoting the bible has no effect on those of us who believe your book is not holy.

Wow. Well with a thought process such as yours it's very hard to 'debate' as you seem very concrete in your thinking and that is very unfortunate. I think you have a very misinformed concept of the planet you occupy. Its just too bad that the advances in technology allow us to consume so much more bad news than ever before. Bad news and tragedy are reported on because of the very nature that it is unique and not normal. Who wants to sit around talking about boring old every day stuff.

At no time in history has there been less disease, hunger, poverty or even death and murder than today. Sure bad news happens and things aren't always rosey but as a point in history the world is a much better place. Which suggest contrary to your assertions that we are indeed learning. Again, it isn't perfect by any means (as we can never be perfect as long as we occupy the tent that is this world) but it is safer.

And that IS proved by history and data.

Lastly, if dolphins are the measuring stick for what is 'better or good' than perhaps you should run around killing for 'fun' as you put it? I know you wouldn't as I hope you think that would be wrong. But you see dolphins could never make that distinction.

Exactly, it can be dirty, see I knew you could see that. The topic of this thread.. in a phrase it says "Avoiding Lust"... This is what can avoid rape and also I have heard that hate is a great cause for rape... God said that a husband should love his wife as Christ loved the church. Hate would not fit into those teachings.

As for evidence of God... here you go...

I used to be agnostic

I decided to give God faith in order to establish a connection with God.

Then I continued iwth my plan... and prayed for a vision... and said if you do give me a vision I'll serve you all my life and if you don't... I'll never believe in you again and will deny you no matter what.

I had a vision.

I am now a Christian and KNOW God exists.

You officially have evidence of God's existence. God Bless

I choose to side with God's ideas of how sex should practice.... If you want to know what I thought about sex... sure I'll tell you. Before I was more deeply involved with God, I would scam almost everyday on how to seduce and use up girls. I thought it was the normal and acceptable thing to do. I thought everyone was doing it... its okay as long as nobody knows or atleast not a lot people. The only MORAL ideas I found we're in the Bible.

And yes all those evil outcomes can be prevented by keeping a pure mind, self-control, waiting for sex until marriage because I know it. I haven't seduced a girl and used her up like what seems to be the trend among men. All thanks to what I'm saying... it is because when I was 11 years old and decided to listen to God that I'm not a player right now. I know it works. And I know by just looking arund me... that not going about it this way... doesn't work. I hear men snickering and saying "She has the face and the body.. look at her.. yeah hit and quit it." Its clear we need God.

About aids... I've heard of people putting words into othe people's mouth but this is more like putting context into my words. I never said that that was God's punishment. Bad consequences are not always a result of God punishing people. The best way I can explain it is... that naturally if you get out of the light.. you'll be in the dark and it wasn't the light's fault. It was yours and your doing. So, I don't know if that was God's punishment or it was just a natural consequence. But, I do know this, God said we shouldn't have sex with animals. It was a good warning.

People manipulating others for money and power is clearly bad. Its clear in the scriptures. Actually Jesus showed the most judgement on that when he caught merchants profitting/manipulating off poor people in church or synagogue. Jesus went so far as knocked down the tables of the merchants and took out a whip and whiped the manipulative merchants out of there.

Why is God's way the best? As you read above, I know he exists. Then I look at what he says... I look around and then at myself in how God has worked in me and see that not being enslaved to sex... and seeking after it and manipulating people for it. Or making it a priority in life is better. It's obvious.

1. I chose to express God's existence as I know it. It is not to make a better argument but literally me just talking to you. I'm not going to exclude God.

2. Again, I won't exclude God.

Eh, marriage is not exactly final. You could save yourself for that one person and get a divorce a year later. All of your "saving" would be for nothing. I think our society is a little too "sex-driven" but I see no problem with a couple having sex before marriage, so long as they are protected and not spreading diseases. With the shitty sex-ed education in america and parents not wanting anybody to teach teens about safe sex, not even the parents themselves, this will only get worst.

All of those things are at an all time high actually. Purely because before 1800 there were less than a billion people on the planet, and the rates were never historically six times higher than now.

aren't you enslaved though by forcing yourself not to have sex?...

you could look at it both ways lol

Guess we've been taught a different lesson in History.

And why shouldn't I? I stand still in my point. Before Kant, no one ever questioned on a philosophical and social level (except maybe perhaps ancient greeks) why killing was "bad".

Lust doesn't have to lead to evil actions. Strong-willed individuals will always be able to control themselves, only weak-willed people will need an external factor to control their themselves. Personally I haven't had any trouble controlling myself and my lust, whenever that might be. Also, I trust common sense to provide me with good morals so I don't need to resort to the Bible or anything else in that regard. So far it's worked out and I don't see it changing.

As far as I'm concerned, sex is just one way of having fun, it just happens that it can also have a deeper level than just pure fun if done with the right partner. If people want to have fun with each other, be it two, three, or any number of people, I'm fine with it as long as everyone wants it and no one gets hurt physically or mentally. Of course it's important to put more important matters in the first place, such as respecting others and their relationships, and I believe you don't need religion to do that. I don't use religion for that and I feel I can put matters in the right order, and I'm fairly sure I'm not the only one. It's not about why you believe something is right or wrong, ie. whether it's because religion or something else. What is important, though, is that you do make the distinction between right and wrong.

Sex can be a bad thing or a good thing... I'm sure you think that rape is a bad type of sex... so couldn't you see that sex can be a terrible thing when misused. On the other hand, when sex is done within God's ways its good. He's ways disapprove of rape, obsession over sex (lust) which covers what you said. Also, I've been restraining myself from sex for most of my life... and I never thought about rape. The middle one was really stretched.