Yeah but it was fun because you had to work very hard to hone those skills. People loved it so much so that it was part of MLG for some time.

Same thing with Street Fighter.

There's way too much pandering to these pampered North American kids who are taught "everyone's a winner" BS so they have to dumb games down. People should work themselves to reach their highest potential instead of capping game mechanics.

I love MLG. I love game speedrunning. I loved Starcraft Brood War, the hardest and most competitive game ever made.

But I'd really rather a game's skill came from intelligence and strategy rather than mechanical aptitude. Normal sports already do the latter quite well. I've switched from Starcraft to LoL: lower mechanical skillcap, and yet more fun, exciting and still skill based games.

Fighting games make moves deliberately hard to do to slow players down from being perfect. I don't think that's right.

You switched Starcraft for LoL, there is your problem.

Please expand on this. Where is LoL flawed?

You can never balance a game around ppl who dont understand the game, or dont have the speed to execute sick moves/micro.

Balancing a game means deciding on an intended playstyle. Something may be balanced but totally unfun to do and hence needs removing. Wavedashing is this kind of thing.

what if they removed muta stacking, mineralwalking, reaver micro from sc : bw? 

They are all artifacts of the obtuse controls of BW. Unlimited control group selection and decent pathfinding would obsolete them. Essentially they just arbitrarily make the game out of reach of the average person while not being fun or adding strategic depth.

The 12-in-a-control-group limit was added to make it deliberately hard rather than any tech limitation. Do you really support that?

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- I never said LoL is flawed, but ur switching between the greatest rts ever made for a shallow, free to play MOBA.

Have you heard of subjectivity? what part do you consider subjective ? You could argue DMC 2 > DMC 1 since its all subjective, but are u this desperate to go down this road? Dont even know what point ur trying to make with the SC to LoL switch, since theyre somewhat different genres.

- Alot of diehard melee fans disagree with you.

So about 3 people then.

Not even close.

- SC2 has unlimited unit selection, look were that brought us, 1 group deathblob amoving into another deathblob.

I prefer this to artificial limitation.

Articificial limitation is by definition bad? if yes how so?Do you want a massively lowered skill ceiling just for the sake of having unlimited control groups(which clearly make the entire experience worse and adds nothing other than turtle fests into huge deathblobs attack moving into eachother).

12 group unit selection, muta stacking, reaver drop micro is what BW made great, all across the map action with sick multitasking.

There wasn't enough room for strategy. You had to have top-20 Korean mechanics to begin to use it. Below that, the better mechanics almost always won.

First of all i dont know where to even start so ill start with this. Did you know the greatest RTS gamer Flash has reletively weak mechanics? Do you think u could beat Bisu strategically if he had similar mechanics as you? Its called a real time strategy game for a reason. if it wasnt real time u would have civilization. Or if u could control only 1 unit u can call it a MOBA. Are u rly this clueless?

99% of the sc2 pros agree that BW > sc2

That's, what, 200 people max? Tiny. Its closer than ur first guess but still  way off, not to mention the entire sc2 competitive esports scene runs because of them.

Ur basicly saying remove or lower the skillceiling so that the average Joe Blows feelings dont get hurt because he cant push the right buttons?

I'm saying that catering to a ridiculously tiny audience is never a good idea if your goal is to make money, and that the game is not worse for being accessible. LoL is the perfect example of a low-mechanical-skill cap yet still deep and surprising strategy game.

LoL is a DoTa ripoff and not even such a good one, its not free to play for nothing. And what strategy are u talking about , online battle arena is a strategy game now? And hour long games killing mindless AI creeps is surpising/deep how?

If u want a game about skill without having to do tricky combo and quick reaction speed , go play chess.

If you want a fighting game that requires all that mechanical skill, go play anything except SSB.

Think a little before u type.

Smash bros is a brawler, 2 different genres. Come on man u got this !

Are you for real?  Are you saying that without the wavedash glitch you didn't like smash Bros?  That and tripping were the only vast differences in the two.  Please tell me i'm mistaken.