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badgenome said:
J_Allard said:

Where did I say those guys were lying? What I described are not demos. They are saying it's not demos. MS never got around to announcing restrictions. A game could have all those restrictions I described and yet the service would still not be demos and work "exactly as described" or whatever Whitten said. I don't see where I am calling them liars.

Like I said, some gamers are afraid of change. You can qualify it or explain it away however you want, won't change facts.

@lx_KillFace_xl There was no time limit, it was as we described. Team still investing in more digital features over time.

— Aaron Greenberg (@aarongreenberg) June 21, 2013

Lets assume the hour long demo rumor is false. The plan still could have worked exactly as they described. With or without restrictions. No lying involved.



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happydolphin said:
Zappykins said:
It’s really sad we, as gamers, lost so many cool new features. The way people are attacking Microsoft reminds me of how fundamentalist attack science. They just want to out yell and out scream to 'prove' they are right.

Never bothering with facts, ideas, or that they don't have to sacrifice their ideas, but may need to adjust them a bit.

Or how supposedly enlightened people attack religion.

Human nature, it sucks.

Did, is that really all you got out of that?  Did you not see 'Fundamentalist' part?

More evil has been done in the name of religion that anything except money. Religions are not all bad, but most fundamentalist ones are.  They keep back human rights, attack and hold back science, kill people in their name, etc.  Have you not heard about the dark ages or how they held back in the USA is on stem cell science because of a few ‘religious’ people in power a few years ago?

Even Christ spoke out against them! (Psst, by the way, the chip on your should is showing.)



 

Really not sure I see any point of Consol over PC's since Kinect, Wii and other alternative ways to play have been abandoned. 

Top 50 'most fun' game list coming soon!

 

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Zappykins said:

Did, is that really all you got out of that?  Did you not see 'Fundamentalist' part?

More evil has been done in the name of religion that anything except money. Religions are not all bad, but most fundamentalist ones are.  They keep back human rights, attack and hold back science, kill people in their name, etc.  Have you not heard about the dark ages or how they held back in the USA is on stem cell science because of a few ‘religious’ people in power a few years ago?

Even Christ spoke out against them! (Psst, by the way, the chip on your should is showing.)

There are fundamentalists everywhere, you just prefer to point it out in religion. I prefer not to distinguish, fundamentalism exists everywhere.

I know what you mean and I know what you're talking about, I always like to remind everyone that fundamentalism is a human trait, not a religious one. So people not willing to sacrifice their ideas for the possibility of a truer one, that's human nature, and I had to point it out because the religious flavor of fundamentalists always seem to be the one pointed out first and I think that is wrong.



happydolphin said:
Zappykins said:

Did, is that really all you got out of that?  Did you not see 'Fundamentalist' part?

More evil has been done in the name of religion that anything except money. Religions are not all bad, but most fundamentalist ones are.  They keep back human rights, attack and hold back science, kill people in their name, etc.  Have you not heard about the dark ages or how they held back in the USA is on stem cell science because of a few ‘religious’ people in power a few years ago?

Even Christ spoke out against them! (Psst, by the way, the chip on your should is showing.)

There are fundamentalists everywhere, you just prefer to point it out in religion. I prefer not to distinguish, fundamentalism exists everywhere.

I know what you mean and I know what you're talking about, I always like to remind everyone that fundamentalism is a human trait, not a religious one. So people not willing to sacrifice their ideas for the possibility of a truer one, that's human nature, and I had to point it out because the religious flavor of fundamentalists always seem to be the one pointed out first and I think that is wrong.

Perhaps because I have only had strong encounters with Fundamentalists Religious people -like trying to take away the rights of my cousins marriage.  Or the ones that are blocking research that could help my friend with Type 1 diabetes who is losing his eyesight because of having it for so many years.  And I have mostly seen it used by religious people as excuses to hurt/kill/take from others. 

But I think I get what you are saying, the people that are 'I'm right, you are wrong, you must die' people.  Those absolutes that lack an ability to see the grey area (which is pretty much everything.)   We never see them here at VGChartz (Whistles, looks around, and dogdes tomatoes.)

If I met a Furry Fundamentalist I might have a different opinion.  I wonder what they would be like?  For example: Must everyone where a squirrel outfit to go shopping for nuts? 



 

Really not sure I see any point of Consol over PC's since Kinect, Wii and other alternative ways to play have been abandoned. 

Top 50 'most fun' game list coming soon!

 

Tell me a funny joke!

bananaking21 said:
i guess we will see if they are lying or not. there is no reason why they cant implement family sharing on digital downloads, if they do so they werent lying, if they dont then i call bullshit

I first agreed with you when I saw this.  Then spent much time thinking about it. We have to remember their biggest consumers are the retailers.  They can not alienate them.

That is why they have to sell the full digital game for the same price as the retail.  And they have to have the same benefits (like family sharing.) Otherwise, why would anyone buy retail?  The companies would stop carrying their products.

They are already in some hot water with the Surface.  I think it has hurt their relationship with their business partners.  (Why get a tablet from someone else, when their’s is the best? – or the one you know.)

If digital games carries some significant benefits that the others did not – then they would be separate product and again, the retails would stop stocking their stuff.

As I see it now, I don’t think there is a way that GameStop and the like will be able to stay in business.  The recent Xbox One changes has ironically stacked everything in the digital side.  To instant swap games they have to be all digital.  They will still sell retail, but I see the retail business going the way of Music and Video stores.



 

Really not sure I see any point of Consol over PC's since Kinect, Wii and other alternative ways to play have been abandoned. 

Top 50 'most fun' game list coming soon!

 

Tell me a funny joke!

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J_Allard said:

Lets assume the hour long demo rumor is false. The plan still could have worked exactly as they described. With or without restrictions. No lying involved.

There is a such thing as a lie of omission. If they are intentionally giving people the impression that you would be able to play every game for free to your heart's content (and as unrealistic as that sounds, plenty of people do have this impression) when that is not the case, then they are guilty of such a lie.

To assume, even for the sake of argument, that there were no such restrictions is to assume that publishers suddenly decided that they hate money. That is not an idea I'd be willing to entertain without some serious evidence.



They never did that though. Every source about it mentioned various restrictions (only one person accessing a shared copy at once, only SP available if someone is accessing the shared and owned copy at the same time, etc etc). There was never any "play to your hearts content".

You can believe they lied or not believe it, doesn't make a difference to me. You implied I was accusing them of lying, I am just letting you know I don't think they have lied with the limited amount of information they had let out. If it turns out this was just a dumb ass demo plan, then they clearly were lying and misleading people. Thankfully, they have confirmed that was not the case.

But the plan is dead anyway so I'm done talking about it until/if it returns for digital content since the lack of online DRM pretty much rules it out for physical media.



Madword said:
slowmo said:

Madword said:

Don't want to come across as rude, but the only people who are coming across as silly as those who actually believed that MS would allow you to buy 1 copy of a game but share it fully with 10 other people. I know you are a massive MS fan (can tell by how you defend them regardless of what they do).... but you need to try and take the blinkers off.

Publishers would *NOT* have done this. There should be no argument on this point.... and if you agree with that point, then I'm afraid i dont see how this would have ever worked.

Perhaps taking your blinkers off might have helped then too.  Announcing a restricted way to share "demo's" was pointless, why restrict who you can entice to play demos of games, its stupid.  Time to face up, this was the real deal, hopefully they'll find a way to implement the feature on digital sales in the future to prove it was.

I'm guessing you know very little about game development? You do know that game demo's are actually very difficult, time consuming and expensive to produce (think about it for a moment, or do you want me to explain in more detail). So actually providing a limited time demo of a full (polished) game is actually a very sensible idea (and is great for publishers). I don't dismiss that as an actual idea, its actually quite smart...  but saying you can have a single game with 10 people accessing it fully with no restrictions... is not smart.

So actually you see, having restricted demos isnt actually pointless.... 


There is a limit of only 10 people on your friends list that can access that demo, really?????

I know demo's are expecnsive which is why limiting it with the family sharing option makes no sense, you may as well make them available to everyone on the marketplace.



J_Allard said:
You can believe they lied or not believe it, doesn't make a difference to me. You implied I was accusing them of lying, I am just letting you know I don't think they have lied with the limited amount of information they had let out.

Okay. I just thought it was ironic that you were upbraiding people for not believing them when they were very explicitly denying time restraints while in the very same post you suggested there might be time restraints.



Oh what nonsense this whole thing has been.

YEAH SURE, they would've let you share your full game with any 10 people.