I agree with the points made in the OP.
This generation I actually bought all games at retail if possible, but I am a 99% no used games guy. I usually don't buy used games and I never ever sell my games. I always fear there will be this one situation in which I want to replay a certain game. Also even if I'd sell a game, I probably would be disappointed with the money I'd get for it. For example if I'd sell Virtual Chess 64 today, nobody would give me more than 1€ for it. The result is that I have tons of games filling up my space. And in ten to twenty years a significant part of my games will fall victim to disc rot. So next gen digital only is the way to go, I made up my mind about that. I was ok with everything said about Xbox One since nothing actually restricted me. The one thing that worried me was that I might lose access to the games in the far future but who knows if that would've actually happened. Family sharing sounded great from what I've heard and I hope they'll find a way to keep it in.

haha. Actually no it hasn't. Nothing changes for bluray unless you mean that disk lasers will fail and need to be replaced by checking the disks over and over. 

they don't really create more money. if i sell you my used game for 20 bucks, i have 20 more but you have 20 less to spend on a new game. if i do that three times with you, i can buy a new game but you can buy one new game less.

but that wouldn't be the problem, the problem is as example gamestop who will pay you 15 and sell the same game for 40. the people who buy the games for 40 bucks would probably also buy them new for 55 but they see no reason for it because the used game will look exactly the same on their tv screen.

other used markets are not comparable since there is a big idfference in a used and a new product for those.

have to sleep now so i won't answer if you quote me, sry.

1) its referring the entire GAME. Not save or your profile. Something MSony have both already stated their Live/PSN+ systems will do.

2) MS has ended it THIS generation. What makes you think they will bring it back next? Maybe in the same fashion as Sony is Gaikai or Nintendo's VC service where a nominal fee allows you to buy the "upgraded" streamed version.

3) Sales are advertised and if they are having a sale on a disc copy... it doesn't make any sense the digital one being bought in store wouldn't have same deal. Hell, typically the digital one will likely have the better sale as has been the case many times with WiiU so far. (as well as the opposite) Patience is key here.

4) Now you're just being unreasonable. You can always take back in unopened disc for cash or tell people... "hey, if you're planning on buying a game, please buy Xbox Live gift cards instead!" Basically this is such a minor variation its pointless to discuss. What if my internet goes down and I can't get to Live to buy it?!?!?!?

5) lol CL and eBay are a lot easier than you're making it out to be. I use eBay personally and its cake. I order boxes/bags for priority mailing to my house. I buy the postage via paypal and tape it to said priority mail boxes. I then drop off on way to work in blue bin. Just not that hard and I save a ton of cash which allows me to buy many more games without my wife complaining about the expense.

Digital reselling was limited to ONE time only. That is not convienant. Bought used? Its done. Plus you'd have to plan it 30days in advance in order to be Live friends long enough. They'd need to allow digital transfers to anyone without any restrictions beyond the force of it only being one legit copy (like a disc). That would be perfect, but won't ever happen.

If that $20 was all I could save for a game, then it allows me to play a game I may never had been able to. Allowing me to get into a genre/IP. So maybe when I can afford new games (especially for kids), I can buy that $60 game due to past experience.

I don't use Gamestop as its not a fair trade to either party except Gamestop.

I buy a game for $35 used. Play it for a month. Sell it for $30 used. I "rented" it for a month for $5. I can then buy something else with nominal additional cash until I find something I really like.

This exactly happened with Uncharted. Bought U1 for $25 on eBay. Loved it. Resold for about $16 NET. Then bought U2 and U3 new when they launched (and resold both when finished w/ multiplayer still intact).

Ask anyone who does a lot of used gaming... they'll all say they play WAY more games for WAY less money doing so and even likely buy some new games they probably wouldn't have been able to. I know that's true for me.

That is obviously a joke, if you read some of the posts in the Microsoft threads in the last few weeks, you will notice a huge number of Microsoft fans claiming that Sony fanboys are the only ones that are shitting on the Xbox One everywhere on the internet.

You said it, so you should thank them.

1. Ok. This may be true I guess we will wait and see.

2. I actually don't think console reboots will happen the way you think ever again. Becuase if they do reboot this again in 8 years, everyone will laugh at them and tell them to take a hike because Android and iOS gaming devices are available with massive libraries that can do the same. The hardwre spec war is starting to reach its limits and software war is where its at...

3. Again maybe you are right but sounds more work than checking the weekly flyer and going to buy a game thats on sale

4. fair enough - not convenient but maybe a minor complaint

5. fair enough - not convenient to me but maybe other people are ok with it

It appears our argument boils down to convenience vs money

It would have still had a second-hand market.  Microsoft was working out those details.  You would have been able to go into a retailer and trade-in a used game and you would have been able to "gift" your game to someone.  The latter wouldn't have precluded you negotiating with the person for a fee to do that gifting (i.e. they buy it off you).

I read the articles as you having the choice on system setup of going DRM free or having the existing policies they've announced since E3. DRM free gives you more flexibility but you'll lose the benefits of a cloud based profile. If this is correct its great as I would like the cloud based system as I don't buy/sell used games and the sharing features would be awesome amongst my friends . I would have been annoyed if they had removed the cloud profile option given all the benefits they sold to me.

I meant more of instead of using DRM, you'd most likely need to insert the disc for checking that you legitimately have the game each time you want to play it, whereas Microsoft's original idea was to not need the disc once it's installed, because DRM handles the authentication process...