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CGI-Quality said:
Aielyn said:
If Steam's servers go down, I can still use my PC.

And play your games offline (although I can see some kind of workaround here from Microsoft, eventually). In fact, it seems like Microsoft's way may be stricter, but I log into my account(s) at least once a day, anyway. May not have a bearing on me at all.


I'm in the same boat. My internet connection is quite good. And I'm always connected. But what if I go to a friend, and want to play my game there, but he doesn't have a broadband connection because he lives in a remote village where broadband isn't available?  And this 1 hour offline thing when you're not at home is ridiculous. Yeah, all is fine and dandy as long as I stay at home. But I tend to like to bring my consoles to my friends and family members to share my new games with them. 

Doing this will be more complicated now. The advantage of consoles was their portability, compared to PCs.  But with MS, it would seem that a PC and their console won't be all that different. Now, they better deliver big time on the exclusive games if they wish to convince me of getting the XBO. Because I already have a gaming PC and have no need for second one.



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i can make a new pc and load steam and play pretty much everything.
situation: 10 years from now a new xb2 comes out. no bc, and they stop supporting xbo, sooo even with internet can you still play your games if you have some old gaming nostalgia one boring weekend? if they are not supporting it anymore? Its like i can do that with every system i have ever owned, i have kept them and go back from time to time and enjoy them still today. Not the the xbo... im just about done with consoles at this point, we will see about sony.

at least my kids will be able to know what a real gaming console was like to actually own.

 

edit: plus steam has much better sales, M$ still wants like full price for old shitty games and the only sale i remember being worth a shit on xbl was when i bought kameo which was a launch title for $5 on sale bc its normally $20 : /     and its what 8 years later?



 

As someone who games on PC quite often Steam provides a massive convenience for the PC market while I'm not sure if the same approach is good for consumers on consoles, if you game solely on console it'll look like it's the same situation only with open platforms like PC Steam gives many benefits. People have already mentioned the offline mode and so on but also factor in that with Steam you not only get cheaper prices and sales but you don't have to pay any platform specific subscriptions to play online, the are features like workshop and green light which accommodate mods and community created games and your games may be tied to your account but you can migrate all of them to future PCs with ease.



They're very similar... But I don't have a problem with either

Also, Steam very definitely doesn't work faultlessly offline, there are issues with some games



LiquorandGunFun said:

i can make a new pc and load steam and play pretty much everything.
situation: 10 years from now a new xb2 comes out. no bc, and they stop supporting xbo, sooo even with internet can you still play your games if you have some old gaming nostalgia one boring weekend? if they are not supporting it anymore? Its like i can do that with every system i have ever owned, i have kept them and go back from time to time and enjoy them still today. Not the the xbo... im just about done with consoles at this point, we will see about sony.

at least my kids will be able to know what a real gaming console was like to actually own.

 

edit: plus steam has much better sales, M$ still wants like full price for old shitty games and the only sale i remember being worth a shit on xbl was when i bought kameo which was a launch title for $5 on sale bc its normally $20 : /     and its what 8 years later?


1st: This goes for EVERY console ever made.

2nd: You complain that you can't play these games when MS decides to shut XBL down (How likely is this in the first place?) AND you say Steam is better because of this in the same paragraph. What do you think will happen when Steam decides to kill its service? (Just as likely as MS shutting down XBL)

3rd: I can't play my old PC games on newer hardware, sorry. I have a great collection of MS Dos, Windows 95, Windows 2000 games that won't run on Windows 7 or Windows 8



Imagine not having GamePass on your console...

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Farsala said:
Many differences have been said already so I will just state my stance on steam. I will only use Steam if a must have game requires it. I could say the same for Xbox One? Not really because the console will be 500$ (Console, Xbox live, controller) or so and steam is free.

This is pretty much how I feel.  I don't really like Steam but some games require it and they do have some awesome deals at times which make buying a Steam game worth the trouble.

However, the BIG difference is that, with a PC, I'm not always limited to Steam.  You can't just compare the XO to Steam as though they both exist on closed platforms.  I can buy from Green Man, or Amazon, or GoG, or grab a Humble Indie Bundle.  Steam is just one of many competitors, which is only a good thing for consumers.



CGI-Quality said:

Chandler said:

I'm sure there are people that buy day 1 directly on steam, as stupid as it sounds.

Eh, that's like saying it's stupid to buy a disc-based console game on Day 1 because it will eventually be on sale. The prinicple of desire is the same in both cases - if you want a game that just came (or have wanted it), you'll buy it. I don't think it's stupid to do so just because it will, eventually, be on sale.


You can get ANY game day 1 for less than what Steam charges.



Ongoing bet with think-man: He wins if MH4 releases in any shape or form on PSV in 2013, I win if it doesn't.

games on steam actually cost reasonable



DirtyP2002 said:
LiquorandGunFun said:

i can make a new pc and load steam and play pretty much everything.
situation: 10 years from now a new xb2 comes out. no bc, and they stop supporting xbo, sooo even with internet can you still play your games if you have some old gaming nostalgia one boring weekend? if they are not supporting it anymore? Its like i can do that with every system i have ever owned, i have kept them and go back from time to time and enjoy them still today. Not the the xbo... im just about done with consoles at this point, we will see about sony.

at least my kids will be able to know what a real gaming console was like to actually own.

 

edit: plus steam has much better sales, M$ still wants like full price for old shitty games and the only sale i remember being worth a shit on xbl was when i bought kameo which was a launch title for $5 on sale bc its normally $20 : /     and its what 8 years later?


1st: This goes for EVERY console ever made.

2nd: You complain that you can't play these games when MS decides to shut XBL down (How likely is this in the first place?) AND you say Steam is better because of this in the same paragraph. What do you think will happen when Steam decides to kill its service? (Just as likely as MS shutting down XBL)

3rd: I can't play my old PC games on newer hardware, sorry. I have a great collection of MS Dos, Windows 95, Windows 2000 games that won't run on Windows 7 or Windows 8


1st: No. The Atari, Colecovision, Intellivision, NES, Mastersystem, Megadrive/Genesis, SNES, TurboGraphx16, NeoGeo, Saturn, PS, N64, Dreamcast, PS2, Gamecube, XBox, XBox 360, Wii, PS3 and Wii U (among some others I'm forgetting) allow you to play offline from the get go. These consoles don't need to be supported online to work. Some of them will have their multi player modes removed, but your discs and cartridges still work in the consoles without an internet connection. You can go back to those old consoles and enjoy your games just fine. So, I really don't see why you're saying it's the same for every consoles ever made. You probably misread what he said.

2nd: MS has an history of not supporting their old consoles. Sure, it's only one console so far: their first XBox. But we can't be sure yet if they'll keep the 360 servers up or not. Not that it'd be such a big deal though. A non issue for me. Because I don't play online much. Still, the XBO is "online required".  So if they shut the console's servers once its gen is over, what are we left with? Games that don't know anymore. Unlike the consoles I listed above. Now, considering the gen is just starting, we don't know how things will evolve. For all we know, they could unlock the "online requirements at the end of the gen so people get to keep on enjoying the games they bought once the next generation starts... But that's all speculative and assuming they care about their customers. 

3rd: Emulators for older PC games are readily available and easy to set-up. Recently, I wanted to replay The Day of the Tentacle. A classic that I really enjoyed back in the days. But it's a DOS game. I looked online and found out I needed the SCUMMVM emulator. Installed it, and realised I can now also play Full Throttle (an other personal favourite of mine) and basically most older Lucasart games...  Point being, If you'd really want to play those old PC games, you would. 



steam is not much better. it's better if we talk about the 24 hours internet stuff but it's even worse if we talk about used games. no clue why steam is beloved everywhere and microsoft is seen as evil everywhere. i really like steam but i also have no big problems with xbox one.

something i wonder about, if microsoft would release a download only console, would people still be so angry? it is worse because there is no possibility to sell the games then or to share them with others but i'm sure people would say nothing against it. only maybe "won't buy because i like retail games" which would be fine.