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LiquorandGunFun on 07 June 2013
DirtyP2002 said:
LiquorandGunFun said:

i can make a new pc and load steam and play pretty much everything.
situation: 10 years from now a new xb2 comes out. no bc, and they stop supporting xbo, sooo even with internet can you still play your games if you have some old gaming nostalgia one boring weekend? if they are not supporting it anymore? Its like i can do that with every system i have ever owned, i have kept them and go back from time to time and enjoy them still today. Not the the xbo... im just about done with consoles at this point, we will see about sony.

at least my kids will be able to know what a real gaming console was like to actually own.

 

edit: plus steam has much better sales, M$ still wants like full price for old shitty games and the only sale i remember being worth a shit on xbl was when i bought kameo which was a launch title for $5 on sale bc its normally $20 : /     and its what 8 years later?


1st: This goes for EVERY console ever made.

2nd: You complain that you can't play these games when MS decides to shut XBL down (How likely is this in the first place?) AND you say Steam is better because of this in the same paragraph. What do you think will happen when Steam decides to kill its service? (Just as likely as MS shutting down XBL)

3rd: I can't play my old PC games on newer hardware, sorry. I have a great collection of MS Dos, Windows 95, Windows 2000 games that won't run on Windows 7 or Windows 8

dos box and compatibility mode. it takes some tweaking but it can be done. i dont often since i do have legacy consoles with some of those games. which i own. its a bad compairioson but i can how some would conclude it, plus the sales, M$ cant compete with steam sales and i doubt they would want to.



 

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Zkuq on 07 June 2013

Steam has offline mode and discounts (as well as much more reasonable regular prices) and pretty much no limitations to what you can do with 'your' games. Of course you can't sell the games you have on Steam.

Also, Valve is more trustworthy than MS. Of course you could argue that they're both in just trying to make as much money as possible and in a way, that's true. However, I find that point of view to be overly cynical.



DirtyP2002 on 07 June 2013
LiquorandGunFun said:
DirtyP2002 said:
LiquorandGunFun said:

i can make a new pc and load steam and play pretty much everything.
situation: 10 years from now a new xb2 comes out. no bc, and they stop supporting xbo, sooo even with internet can you still play your games if you have some old gaming nostalgia one boring weekend? if they are not supporting it anymore? Its like i can do that with every system i have ever owned, i have kept them and go back from time to time and enjoy them still today. Not the the xbo... im just about done with consoles at this point, we will see about sony.

at least my kids will be able to know what a real gaming console was like to actually own.

 

edit: plus steam has much better sales, M$ still wants like full price for old shitty games and the only sale i remember being worth a shit on xbl was when i bought kameo which was a launch title for $5 on sale bc its normally $20 : /     and its what 8 years later?


1st: This goes for EVERY console ever made.

2nd: You complain that you can't play these games when MS decides to shut XBL down (How likely is this in the first place?) AND you say Steam is better because of this in the same paragraph. What do you think will happen when Steam decides to kill its service? (Just as likely as MS shutting down XBL)

3rd: I can't play my old PC games on newer hardware, sorry. I have a great collection of MS Dos, Windows 95, Windows 2000 games that won't run on Windows 7 or Windows 8

dos box and compatibility mode. it takes some tweaking but it can be done. i dont often since i do have legacy consoles with some of those games. which i own. its a bad compairioson but i can how some would conclude it, plus the sales, M$ cant compete with steam sales and i doubt they would want to.


I tried, does not work.

Well I made 2 games work. One without sound though. And I have 30+ DOS games.
It is not MS that competes with steam sales alone. It is every freaking retailer selling Xbox One games out there.



Imagine not having GamePass on your console...

thranx on 07 June 2013
Hynad said:
CGI-Quality said:
Aielyn said:
If Steam's servers go down, I can still use my PC.

And play your games offline (although I can see some kind of workaround here from Microsoft, eventually). In fact, it seems like Microsoft's way may be stricter, but I log into my account(s) at least once a day, anyway. May not have a bearing on me at all.


I'm in the same boat. My internet connection is quite good. And I'm always connected. But what if I go to a friend, and want to play my game there, but he doesn't have a broadband connection because he lives in a remote village where broadband isn't available?  And this 1 hour offline thing when you're not at home is ridiculous. Yeah, all is fine and dandy as long as I stay at home. But I tend to like to bring my consoles to my friends and family members to share my new games with them. 

Doing this will be more complicated now. The advantage of consoles was their portability, compared to PCs.  But with MS, it would seem that a PC and their console won't be all that different. Now, they better deliver big time on the exclusive games if they wish to convince me of getting the XBO. Because I already have a gaming PC and have no need for second one.


the 1 hour was if you logged into a friedns xbox one with your account and than took it off line. If you use your xbox one and physically bring it to their house it should be good to go for 24 hours after its last check in. so two different scenarios. so it should be the same as before unless you plan on staying for more than a day, which i agree is an issue for weekend hangouts with friends.



thranx on 07 June 2013
LiquorandGunFun said:
DirtyP2002 said:
LiquorandGunFun said:

i can make a new pc and load steam and play pretty much everything.
situation: 10 years from now a new xb2 comes out. no bc, and they stop supporting xbo, sooo even with internet can you still play your games if you have some old gaming nostalgia one boring weekend? if they are not supporting it anymore? Its like i can do that with every system i have ever owned, i have kept them and go back from time to time and enjoy them still today. Not the the xbo... im just about done with consoles at this point, we will see about sony.

at least my kids will be able to know what a real gaming console was like to actually own.

 

edit: plus steam has much better sales, M$ still wants like full price for old shitty games and the only sale i remember being worth a shit on xbl was when i bought kameo which was a launch title for $5 on sale bc its normally $20 : /     and its what 8 years later?


1st: This goes for EVERY console ever made.

2nd: You complain that you can't play these games when MS decides to shut XBL down (How likely is this in the first place?) AND you say Steam is better because of this in the same paragraph. What do you think will happen when Steam decides to kill its service? (Just as likely as MS shutting down XBL)

3rd: I can't play my old PC games on newer hardware, sorry. I have a great collection of MS Dos, Windows 95, Windows 2000 games that won't run on Windows 7 or Windows 8

dos box and compatibility mode. it takes some tweaking but it can be done. i dont often since i do have legacy consoles with some of those games. which i own. its a bad compairioson but i can how some would conclude it, plus the sales, M$ cant compete with steam sales and i doubt they would want to.

MS has some great summer sales and a good holiday sale around christmas. they could compete with steam before because they still relied on retail too much, now they are all digital so who knows, maybe they will compete with steam on sales.



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DirtyP2002 on 07 June 2013
Hynad said:
DirtyP2002 said:
LiquorandGunFun said:

i can make a new pc and load steam and play pretty much everything.
situation: 10 years from now a new xb2 comes out. no bc, and they stop supporting xbo, sooo even with internet can you still play your games if you have some old gaming nostalgia one boring weekend? if they are not supporting it anymore? Its like i can do that with every system i have ever owned, i have kept them and go back from time to time and enjoy them still today. Not the the xbo... im just about done with consoles at this point, we will see about sony.

at least my kids will be able to know what a real gaming console was like to actually own.

 

edit: plus steam has much better sales, M$ still wants like full price for old shitty games and the only sale i remember being worth a shit on xbl was when i bought kameo which was a launch title for $5 on sale bc its normally $20 : /     and its what 8 years later?


1st: This goes for EVERY console ever made.

2nd: You complain that you can't play these games when MS decides to shut XBL down (How likely is this in the first place?) AND you say Steam is better because of this in the same paragraph. What do you think will happen when Steam decides to kill its service? (Just as likely as MS shutting down XBL)

3rd: I can't play my old PC games on newer hardware, sorry. I have a great collection of MS Dos, Windows 95, Windows 2000 games that won't run on Windows 7 or Windows 8


1st: No. The Atari, Colecovision, Intellivision, NES, Mastersystem, Megadrive/Genesis, SNES, TurboGraphx16, NeoGeo, Saturn, PS, N64, Dreamcast, PS2, Gamecube, XBox, XBox 360, Wii, PS3 and Wii U (among some others I'm forgetting) allow you to play offline from the get go. These consoles don't need to be supported online to work. Some of them will have their multi player modes removed, but your discs and cartridges still work in the consoles without an internet connection. You can go back to those old consoles and enjoy your games just fine. So, I really don't see why you're saying it's the same for every consoles ever made. You probably misread what he said.

2nd: MS has an history of not supporting their old consoles. Sure, it's only one console so far: their first XBox. But we can't be sure yet if they'll keep the 360 servers up or not. Not that it'd be such a big deal though. A non issue for me. Because I don't play online much. Still, the XBO is "online required".  So if they shut the console's servers once its gen is over, what are we left with? Games that don't know anymore. Unlike the consoles I listed above. Now, considering the gen is just starting, we don't know how things will evolve. For all we know, they could unlock the "online requirements at the end of the gen so people get to keep on enjoying the games they bought once the next generation starts... But that's all speculative and assuming they care about their customers. 

3rd: Emulators for older PC games are readily available and easy to set-up. Recently, I wanted to replay The Day of the Tentacle. A classic that I really enjoyed back in the days. But it's a DOS game. I looked online and found out I needed the SCUMMVM emulator. Installed it, and realised I can now also play Full Throttle (an other personal favourite of mine) and basically most older Lucasart games...  Point being, If you'd really want to play those old PC games, you would. 

I thought we were talking about support for these consoles? The Atari ist supported in a meaningful way these days
Still does not change the fact that in comparison with Steam (what this thread is about) it is 100% the same thing. When shut down, it won't work.

The original Xbox was not supported for a longer period of time, because there were issues with Nvidia. For the rest of the 2nd point: And again, the exact same thing with steam.

And downloading emulators, which is illegal for the most part, and getting old DOS games to run is not that easy. Feel free to show me a emulator I can play "Z" with.



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Panama on 07 June 2013

Steams offline mode finally works, so there's that.



wfz on 07 June 2013
disolitude said:

Valve provides a gaming platform and an ecosystem, called Steam.

Microsoft provides a gaming platform and ecosystem, called Xbox.

They are open, or closed in exact same manner, its jsut that microsoft decided to create dedicated harware for their platform...Also they both have competitors in Origin and Playstation  

Microsoft does most likely charge higher licensing fees on the Xbox than Steam but there is very little difference between the two.


You can't directly compare a digital program (which is one of many free programs to download on an open platform) to a physical console (which is a closed console with 1 singular digital venue). They don't even have the same practices if you do try to compare them that way. 

Steam:

1) Open program. You can purchase games outside of Steam and activate them on Steam. Valve is not the only company who sells you games. There is... drumroll.... competition! Don't want to pay Valve's prices? Have a different dealer you want to buy through (such as Amazon)? Great, do so!

2) PC is an open platform. Steam is not the only digital service, has competition and doesn't hold an iron grip on sold products.

Xbone:

1) Closed system. Only one program to buy games through and only one vendor. Also on a closed platform with no other competitors selling digital content.



thranx on 07 June 2013
Chandler said:
CGI-Quality said:

Chandler said:

I'm sure there are people that buy day 1 directly on steam, as stupid as it sounds.

Eh, that's like saying it's stupid to buy a disc-based console game on Day 1 because it will eventually be on sale. The prinicple of desire is the same in both cases - if you want a game that just came (or have wanted it), you'll buy it. I don't think it's stupid to do so just because it will, eventually, be on sale.


You can get ANY game day 1 for less than what Steam charges.

I'm with CGI on this one, where? I use amazon's digital service too, and they have sales also but not on games day 1



Chandler on 07 June 2013
CGI-Quality said:
Chandler said:
CGI-Quality said:

Chandler said:

I'm sure there are people that buy day 1 directly on steam, as stupid as it sounds.

Eh, that's like saying it's stupid to buy a disc-based console game on Day 1 because it will eventually be on sale. The prinicple of desire is the same in both cases - if you want a game that just came (or have wanted it), you'll buy it. I don't think it's stupid to do so just because it will, eventually, be on sale.


You can get ANY game day 1 for less than what Steam charges.

Brand new PC downloads? Really? Where?


Greenmangaming for a start. But that's just the tip of the iceberg.



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