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Adinnieken on 25 May 2013
kitler53 said:

i would like to know more details on “Live TV will require a supported receiver device with HDMI output,”.

does that mean daisy chaining any old cablebox with HDMI output? is it an xbone specific peripheral? i think it is weird that it is NA only at launch cause i was under the impression all you had to do was plug the HDMI cable currently in my tv into the xbox and that was that.

honestly, if people have to drop an extra $50 for a peripheral or if only specific MS approved tv providers are supported i can't see this being big.

Daisy chaining.

Inside the US/Canada/Mexico, I don't think this is too big of a deal as NA is pretty Standardized.  However, in the UK you have SCART, who knows what you have elsewhere in the EU.  So, in the UK for example, Microsoft is likely willing to include the SCART adaptor for the TV, as it legally has to.  But your satellite receiver for Sky, etc will need to have an HDMI output.

Here is another article on the subject, from CNET talking to Harvey Eagle about it.

http://crave.cnet.co.uk/gamesgear/xbox-one-will-work-with-uk-tv-in-a-variety-of-ways-50011289/



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crissindahouse on 25 May 2013
sniper989 said:
i can already do 95% of the features that X1 uses

well, we should all stay with or ps360 then. why should anyone buy a ps4, x1 or something else when we can already play video games and watch movies with a ps360 right?

and what's with those guys who buy a new car even when their 15 years old car still drives. the next one has aslo only 4 tires to drive.



walsufnir on 25 May 2013
Adinnieken said:
kitler53 said:

i would like to know more details on “Live TV will require a supported receiver device with HDMI output,”.

does that mean daisy chaining any old cablebox with HDMI output? is it an xbone specific peripheral? i think it is weird that it is NA only at launch cause i was under the impression all you had to do was plug the HDMI cable currently in my tv into the xbox and that was that.

honestly, if people have to drop an extra $50 for a peripheral or if only specific MS approved tv providers are supported i can't see this being big.

Daisy chaining.

Inside the US/Canada/Mexico, I don't think this is too big of a deal as NA is pretty Standardized.  However, in the UK you have SCART, who knows what you have elsewhere in the EU.  So, in the UK for example, Microsoft is likely willing to include the SCART adaptor for the TV, as it legally has to.  But your satellite receiver for Sky, etc will need to have an HDMI output.

Here is another article on the subject, from CNET talking to Harvey Eagle about it.

http://crave.cnet.co.uk/gamesgear/xbox-one-will-work-with-uk-tv-in-a-variety-of-ways-50011289/


In Germany, we have HDMI

Well, if you buy a new receiver in Germany, it's most probably dvb-s2 with an hdmi-interface. Cable is mostly done via built-in tuner but providers also give out dvb-c-receivers (nowadays also with hdmi, of course). But yes, I think there are still a lot of scart-receivers in use in Germany, too.



kitler53 on 25 May 2013
happydolphin said:
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The stuff they are demoing takes work and takes partnership with cable companies. It's the kind of things that takes time, effort, agreements, etc.

This shouldn't be a surprise to you. To tell your cablebox to do something via xbox commands requires work and integration with proprietary interfaces, and they likely don't want to deploy this until it works for all providers, so it makes sense.

Example: "Xbox, turn on ESPN". That's not as simple as having a TV input a channel to a cable-box. It requires mapping a station name to a channel. These dictionaries need to be created, and the smart guide could require even more complex logic.

They may also be working on pricing strategies with cable companies and may not be ready to deploy until the companies agree to partner with them. Legal and marketting stuff here too.

time yes, and they've had 8 years already..

if MS has to make provider specific deals then that opens the question,. will support ever come?  will the non-NA tv providers what to make a deal with xbox or will they fight them?

..there ought to be certain very universal librarys for voice commands: 'channel up', 'channel down', ect.  and honestly, if MS isn't letting me do my own mapping for "xbox play ESPN" than they are approaching the whole thing wrong.  i will not be able to easy pick up hundered or thousands of voice commands that MS chooses.  MS should just let me choose the command ala setting up radio pre-sets and have a very small, simple library of universal commands.  ..otherwise it is just too complex and user-unfriendly.

 

and i'll repeat - if you can't support your main selling point at launch your product isn't ready.  it would be like sony saying ps4 only supports games in NA at launch because they haven't figured out the PAL region.



kitler53 on 25 May 2013
Adinnieken said:
kitler53 said:

i would like to know more details on “Live TV will require a supported receiver device with HDMI output,”.

does that mean daisy chaining any old cablebox with HDMI output? is it an xbone specific peripheral? i think it is weird that it is NA only at launch cause i was under the impression all you had to do was plug the HDMI cable currently in my tv into the xbox and that was that.

honestly, if people have to drop an extra $50 for a peripheral or if only specific MS approved tv providers are supported i can't see this being big.

Daisy chaining.

Inside the US/Canada/Mexico, I don't think this is too big of a deal as NA is pretty Standardized.  However, in the UK you have SCART, who knows what you have elsewhere in the EU.  So, in the UK for example, Microsoft is likely willing to include the SCART adaptor for the TV, as it legally has to.  But your satellite receiver for Sky, etc will need to have an HDMI output.

Here is another article on the subject, from CNET talking to Harvey Eagle about it.

http://crave.cnet.co.uk/gamesgear/xbox-one-will-work-with-uk-tv-in-a-variety-of-ways-50011289/

nice article.  so daisy chaining then.  no idea what SCART is but okay..    so the only live tv i do is old school rabbit ears.  are their anntenna to HDMI converters cause right now i'm using the coaxial cable input on my TV. 



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Adinnieken on 25 May 2013
kitler53 said:
Adinnieken said:
kitler53 said:

i would like to know more details on “Live TV will require a supported receiver device with HDMI output,”.

does that mean daisy chaining any old cablebox with HDMI output? is it an xbone specific peripheral? i think it is weird that it is NA only at launch cause i was under the impression all you had to do was plug the HDMI cable currently in my tv into the xbox and that was that.

honestly, if people have to drop an extra $50 for a peripheral or if only specific MS approved tv providers are supported i can't see this being big.

Daisy chaining.

Inside the US/Canada/Mexico, I don't think this is too big of a deal as NA is pretty Standardized.  However, in the UK you have SCART, who knows what you have elsewhere in the EU.  So, in the UK for example, Microsoft is likely willing to include the SCART adaptor for the TV, as it legally has to.  But your satellite receiver for Sky, etc will need to have an HDMI output.

Here is another article on the subject, from CNET talking to Harvey Eagle about it.

http://crave.cnet.co.uk/gamesgear/xbox-one-will-work-with-uk-tv-in-a-variety-of-ways-50011289/

nice article.  so daisy chaining then.  no idea what SCART is but okay..    so the only live tv i do is old school rabbit ears.  are their anntenna to HDMI converters cause right now i'm using the coaxial cable input on my TV. 

SCART is a TV/Video connection used in Europe.  Similar to DVI but analog.   



oldschoolfool on 25 May 2013
crissindahouse said:
sniper989 said:
i can already do 95% of the features that X1 uses

well, we should all stay with or ps360 then. why should anyone buy a ps4, x1 or something else when we can already play video games and watch movies with a ps360 right?

and what's with those guys who buy a new car even when their 15 years old car still drives. the next one has aslo only 4 tires to drive.


that's right. save alot of money that way. lol



Adinnieken on 25 May 2013
walsufnir said:

In Germany, we have HDMI

Well, if you buy a new receiver in Germany, it's most probably dvb-s2 with an hdmi-interface. Cable is mostly done via built-in tuner but providers also give out dvb-c-receivers (nowadays also with hdmi, of course). But yes, I think there are still a lot of scart-receivers in use in Germany, too.

Thanks for the info.  I was under the impression the SCART was digital, but looked it up and it isn't.  So, HDMI probably has replaced it completely in Europe.  Not sure about the UK as I can't get specific info.



Adinnieken on 25 May 2013
pezus said:
Wasn't Xbox One supposed to unify all of this? Only in America was expected, but still isn't good. The features of this console look almost exclusively designed for that market. And yet they expect 1B next gen console sales. America only has 315m people

It's easy with satellite service providers, it's difficult with over-the-air. 

Even in the US over-the-air is a huge challenge, more so than anywhere else in the world.  We have 6,034 over-the-air broadcast stations in the US.  There is no guarantee that a person living within the designated affliate zone will receive the station they're supposed to get.

I go into a bit more detail here:
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=5375305

If they can get over-the-air to work in the US, which they might be able to, then they can get it work anywhere in the world as it's a cake walk elsewhere.



happydolphin on 25 May 2013
kitler53 said:

time yes, and they've had 8 years already..

if MS has to make provider specific deals then that opens the question,. will support ever come?  will the non-NA tv providers what to make a deal with xbox or will they fight them?

..there ought to be certain very universal librarys for voice commands: 'channel up', 'channel down', ect.  and honestly, if MS isn't letting me do my own mapping for "xbox play ESPN" than they are approaching the whole thing wrong.  i will not be able to easy pick up hundered or thousands of voice commands that MS chooses.  MS should just let me choose the command ala setting up radio pre-sets and have a very small, simple library of universal commands.  ..otherwise it is just too complex and user-unfriendly.

 

and i'll repeat - if you can't support your main selling point at launch your product isn't ready.  it would be like sony saying ps4 only supports games in NA at launch because they haven't figured out the PAL region.

Whether they're preset commands or customized by the user, you need to understand that mapping a name to a channel may not be an out-of-the-box feature of cable boxes, and will require special integration between the xbox and the provider's api.

What time it takes is like the time it took for the PS3 to do many of the things it ended up doing after many firmware upgrades. This isn't a showstopper just something they want to deploy over time and they didn't have time for that prior to launch so they are doing it incrementally I don't see the issue.