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Darth Tigris said:
hatmoza said:

Microsoft is really losing touch with developers. Listen to what this guy is saying. He basically said he doesn't like the approach that Microsoft is taking. He also makes it very clear that Microsoft has communication issues with developers.

This isn't new news of course. We've been hearing for quite some time from several developers that they didn't like Microsoft's working conditions.

Microsoft has to win some support with their reveal (whenever it is) as to not let Sony runaway with a huge advantage. Sony is already winning the hearts of developers.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion



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DirtyP2002 said:
Weedlab said:
hatmoza said:

Microsoft is really losing touch with developers. Listen to what this guy is saying. He basically said he doesn't like the approach that Microsoft is taking. He also makes it very clear that Microsoft has communication issues with developers.

This isn't new news of course. We've been hearing for quite some time from several developers that they didn't like Microsoft's working conditions.

Microsoft has to win some support with their reveal (whenever it is) as to not let Sony runaway with a huge advantage. Sony is already winning the hearts of developers.


Pretty much this (with respect to some devs). Sony seems to be reaching out to devs of all shapes and sizes.


You guys amaze me. You really do. All you need is one statement, by one indie dev and you form your opinion, totally ignoring what happened in the past 2 years.

Ask Zipper, BigBig or Sony Liverpool if Sony really reached out to all devs. All three studios were closed by Sony in the past 18 months.
Ask Thatgamecompany who were almost broke, because they signed a exclusive contract with Sony and will do games for Xbox now.
Ask SuperBot Entertainment, which are now dead, because they developed PSABR for Sony. Sony stopped the relationship with them and they are dead now. How do they feel about Sony?

On the other hand MS opened a shitload of studios, bought Twisted Pixel and BigPark Games and hired the best talent in this industry.

But yeah, there is still that one indie dev you will stick to no matter what.

Someone on Kotaku introduced me to this:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

With console zealots, I see this a lot.



hatmoza said:
Darth Tigris said:
hatmoza said:

Microsoft is really losing touch with developers. Listen to what this guy is saying. He basically said he doesn't like the approach that Microsoft is taking. He also makes it very clear that Microsoft has communication issues with developers.

This isn't new news of course. We've been hearing for quite some time from several developers that they didn't like Microsoft's working conditions.

Microsoft has to win some support with their reveal (whenever it is) as to not let Sony runaway with a huge advantage. Sony is already winning the hearts of developers.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion

So are you saying what you stated is an opinion?



Leaked specs dont mean much huh? Even if they pan out as rumored the PS3 was also more powerful then any of the other consoles. How much power does one need to last another 7 years? The current consoles were also low to mid range ( compared to PC ).. And yet they still have acceptable graphics. The problem lies in comparing a console to a PC... The console doesnt run an operating system that slows it down while the game is running.

Sony had better hope the PS4 isnt AGAIN the most expensive system - systems with "superior" components do cost more PERIOD. The smartest thing is to make it more powerful and still be balanced. This makes me doubt the PS4 will be anywhere near Wii U's price.

And 'Move' looks horrible.. How can that possibly compete with next gen 'Kinect' which would be much more responsive and handle more users completely handsfree...

Sony better hope this pans out after 4 straight years of losses and 5 billion in losses reported 6 months ago for the gaming division...Sony can DEFINATELY no longer afford to sell another console at a loss for a sustained amount of time..

Lastly, Sony basically has admitted CELL was a mistake. They ditched the original plans to use an updated CELL for PS4.. And have made a console thats basically a PC! It seems to me alot of PS3 fans made a big deal about the Xb360 essentially being a PC, huh?  Now that Sony has said "yeah cell was not the best processor for developers" and they are making a PC.. All the Sony fans buy right into it.. And why?  Because Sony is putting their name on it... Hahah



Weedlab said:
noname2200 said:
Weedlab said:

 

I think the point is that Sony is willing to encourage indie devs to work on the system and one can infer that they are having a lot of discussion with them (not solely based on this article, but others).

I dunno, my reading of that interview, at least, is that while they won't say "no" they're not going to go out of their way to assist the smaller developers either. Telling folks to develop for a separate platform because they can't afford the buy-in does not strike me as encouragement.

Well I guess it is subject to interpretation. I got the sense that they find every developer is important and want as many of them on board. He seemed to suggest more than simply giving them permission or not saying 'no' in relation to working on the platform.

 

Also, it's not unprecedented for Sony to give developers the tools they need at a subsidized cost. They have done this before with the PS3. I cannot say if they will do this with the PS4, but it is not outside of the realm of possibility. As for PSM, look at it this way, Sony is trying to erect an ecosystem and getting devs to work on the different platforms is a start. So if they don’t have the financial wherewithal for working on the PS4, then that doesn’t mean they won’t have options since they have an alternative platform to work with in the mean time (PSM).

 


Good points. I'd imagine that sometime down the line they'll offer cheaper options for PS4 development to smaller developers. But in light of how dev kits tend to be somewhat scarce in the early going, it'll probably be a year or two until that begins.



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I would be extremely surprized if somehow Microsoft didn't already know about Sony's specs a while ago.



I describe myself as a little dose of toxic masculinity.

Hardly; There aren't that many companies that can match them financially. Sony surely isn't one of them.



Darth Tigris said:
DirtyP2002 said:
Weedlab said:
hatmoza said:

Microsoft is really losing touch with developers. Listen to what this guy is saying. He basically said he doesn't like the approach that Microsoft is taking. He also makes it very clear that Microsoft has communication issues with developers.

This isn't new news of course. We've been hearing for quite some time from several developers that they didn't like Microsoft's working conditions.

Microsoft has to win some support with their reveal (whenever it is) as to not let Sony runaway with a huge advantage. Sony is already winning the hearts of developers.


Pretty much this (with respect to some devs). Sony seems to be reaching out to devs of all shapes and sizes.


You guys amaze me. You really do. All you need is one statement, by one indie dev and you form your opinion, totally ignoring what happened in the past 2 years.

Ask Zipper, BigBig or Sony Liverpool if Sony really reached out to all devs. All three studios were closed by Sony in the past 18 months.
Ask Thatgamecompany who were almost broke, because they signed a exclusive contract with Sony and will do games for Xbox now.
Ask SuperBot Entertainment, which are now dead, because they developed PSABR for Sony. Sony stopped the relationship with them and they are dead now. How do they feel about Sony?

On the other hand MS opened a shitload of studios, bought Twisted Pixel and BigPark Games and hired the best talent in this industry.

But yeah, there is still that one indie dev you will stick to no matter what.

Someone on Kotaku introduced me to this:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

With console zealots, I see this a lot.


Thats actually quite fascinating. I think everyone is a little guilty of this. Its also very hard to almost impossible to detect if youre trying to examine yourself and personal opinions and beliefs...



DirtyP2002 said:


It is not about about a few developers leaving, like you mentioned with Rare (Or Naughty Dog and Sucker Punch developers joined MS), it is about closing entire studios. And no, Sony did not just relocate most of the devs. They offered some of them a new position, but they did not absorb a lot of them.

Imagine you are in the situation of a developer of Zipper and you actually get an offer from Sony to work. You can chose between bein unemployed or work in a new city miles away. This is still a very bad situation to be in.

Unfortunately the games software industry is a brutal place, like many other places. If your company made a good game for X, that doesn't guarantee that you now have a job for life working for X, or Y or Z. The cycle starts at zero. Companies that are surviving have at least several projects in various stages, but even that cannot guarantee that you survive should any of those projects fail. Developing games means an exciting life - sometimes because making the game is great, more often because you don't know where you are in a year or two. A lot of burnt-out people lie on the paths to glory, I'd suppose.



Jumpin said:
I would be extremely surprized if somehow Microsoft didn't already know about Sony's specs a while ago.


Agreed... Sony ditched Cell to make a console most like a PC.. And funny enough alot of Sony fans blasted the Xbox 360 because it was more like a PC then the PS3 ..

Now the PS4 will essentially be using the same Gpu as the Next Xbox.. At least very close in specs & Its even made by the same company!  And yet now that Sony abandoned plans to use an updated Cell for PS4.. The Sony fans eat it up.. Next Xbox wont be losing compatability to play 360 games.. But theres now just no way to play PS3 games on the PS4.. I doubt they'll even try it due to keeping launch cost as low as possible for Sony