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MB1025 said:
hatmoza said:

Microsoft is really losing touch with developers. Listen to what this guy is saying. He basically said he doesn't like the approach that Microsoft is taking. He also makes it very clear that Microsoft has communication issues with developers.

This isn't new news of course. We've been hearing for quite some time from several developers that they didn't like Microsoft's working conditions.

Microsoft has to win some support with their reveal (whenever it is) as to not let Sony runaway with a huge advantage. Sony is already winning the hearts of developers.

He didn't say Microsoft has poor communication with deveopers. He said HIS company didn't have good communication with Microsoft.

Do you want to know what this is?

This guy wanted his game to be multiplatform. Microsoft didn't return a phone call and Sony did. So now in his eyes Sony is amazing. That is how this always works with developers. I am sure Sony missed the boat on some things Microsoft got for Arcade as well.

You are making assumptions when you dont really know how it panned out. Even if what you say is true, then MS certainly did miss a trick by not collaborating with these guys - instead of a multiplat indie game now you have a timed exclusive for the ps3 (albeit with iOS and pc versions). You would think that at the least MS would want to make sure that sony didnt have any advantages even if the advantage with this game is only very very small. 



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sales2099 said:
GDDR5 = Cell

I mean this in terms of fans using this as a crutch in bragging comparisons. Sigh. This is gonna get old.....just like in 2006.

At least people used Cell from DBZ to soften the blow.....this term sounds too technical to make fun of it.

MS havent even shown their specs yet and you are already trying to put down the ps4.....good luck with that. And I hope you enjoy kinect. 

In response to the OP, no I dont think they should do any changes. Any changes at this stage will (as some have mentioned) lead to delays which MS will try to avoid and especially considering that as some have rightly said power isnt everything. From what we have heard so far the ps4 and xbox720 will be very different beasts looking at different functions so I dont see that MS haave to follow sony with their specs to be successful.



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The GDDR5 thing is so stupid it hurts. My 7870 with a measly 2 gigs of GDDR5 smokes the shit out of the PS4.



DirtyP2002 said:
Weedlab said:
hatmoza said:

Microsoft is really losing touch with developers. Listen to what this guy is saying. He basically said he doesn't like the approach that Microsoft is taking. He also makes it very clear that Microsoft has communication issues with developers.

This isn't new news of course. We've been hearing for quite some time from several developers that they didn't like Microsoft's working conditions.

Microsoft has to win some support with their reveal (whenever it is) as to not let Sony runaway with a huge advantage. Sony is already winning the hearts of developers.


Pretty much this (with respect to some devs). Sony seems to be reaching out to devs of all shapes and sizes.


You guys amaze me. You really do. All you need is one statement, by one indie dev and you form your opinion, totally ignoring what happened in the past 2 years.

Ask Zipper, BigBig or Sony Liverpool if Sony really reached out to all devs. All three studios were closed by Sony in the past 18 months.
Ask Thatgamecompany who were almost broke, because they signed a exclusive contract with Sony and will do games for Xbox now.
Ask SuperBot Entertainment, which are now dead, because they developed PSABR for Sony. Sony stopped the relationship with them and they are dead now. How do they feel about Sony?

On the other hand MS opened a shitload of studios, bought Twisted Pixel and BigPark Games and hired the best talent in this industry.

But yeah, there is still that one indie dev you will stick to no matter what.

Ummmm .. Did my post suggest I was basing my argument on the single comment of a dev? I think not. Check again. Notice I had with respect to some developers, and I stand by that.

Uhhh ... your point? It seems quite moot and your argument is disingenuous. Don't get me wrong it is horrible when any dev has to close down, but it happens and will continue to happen irrespective of the party behind them. If the games don't sell then it is inevitable these things will happen. Also, didn't Sony absorb a lot of those guys in other studios? (That was rhetorical).

Thatgamecompany went broke, so because their games didn't sell as well as they would have liked is that an instance of Sony mistreating them? Didn't they thank Sony on a multitude of occasions for their assistance on a plethora of things? Heck they even thanked them on Spike TV when they accepted the award for Journey. One can argue that the fame their obtained from making games on the PS3 will yield dividends later. They are extremely well known now.

Now we are going from relationships with third party studious to a first party studio buying 'talent'. Focus your argument instead of tangentalizing.

Nice way to cherry pick points by the way. I guess you forgot to include events like developers leaving Microsoft for ‘greener’ pastures (including people from RARE) and devs leaving their studious because of a lack of innovation. Why isn’t Bunjie making games exclusive to Microsoft again? Don’t get me wrong none of the big three are perfect, they all have their issues with respect to third parties, but I think the point was relatively speaking Sony is better than Microsoft.

 



 

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It seem the support will be bigger then with ps3 and devellopement of game are more easy in ps4 that`s why i think Microfot should fear about ps4



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I dont think ms is in panic mode. But some fans certainly are!



disolitude said:
lol...another thread talking about RAM being the key to PS4 success.

RAM is the new Cell processor for the upcoming gen. Unlimited untapped potential will come from this PS4 RAM on these forums for many years to come.

In reality though...

 

It's not a valid comparison. Cell needed very specific programming practices to be used. RAM with more bandwidth is much simpler, you dont't have to do anything, just use it as usual and enjoy the speed.



fauzman said:
sales2099 said:
GDDR5 = Cell

I mean this in terms of fans using this as a crutch in bragging comparisons. Sigh. This is gonna get old.....just like in 2006.

At least people used Cell from DBZ to soften the blow.....this term sounds too technical to make fun of it.

MS havent even shown their specs yet and you are already trying to put down the ps4.....good luck with that. And I hope you enjoy kinect. 

MS has two major afvantages over Sony:

1. They have a lot more ram. Or had, until yesterday. That advantage has been completely shot down.

2. They bought out every company doing 3D research and development during the Kinect days (which are over as soon as Kinect2 appears). So, no question, their Kinect2 will be better than Sony's Kinect (which we actually saw operating in the MediaMolecule demo. Just in case you missed it because "Kinect stuff is shit I don't care").

The Durango presentation will be all over Kinect2 (and about a hundred shooter clips), because that is all there is left currently. It could be very impressive indeed (if they don't resort to baldfaced lying like they did in the original Kinect presentation). If they only resort to showing off their 100 new shooters, I foresee trouble.



Do they look like they are panicking?



 

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Speaking of support ...

Speaking with Gamasutra, Sony Computer Entertainment World Wide Studios president Shuhei Yoshida was asked if the PS4 needed indie game developers, to which he responded, "...we want them to be on our platform. You said we need, but it's more like we want."

"We believe in smaller developers. They are very creative and they go out of the norm to do something really amazing. So we really want to make it easier for them to come to our platform and publish." While not revealing the explicit price of a PS4 development kit, Yoshida explains the cost is still a hurdle and isn't sure "if it's cheap enough for those indie guys." His suggestion to indie studios is to explore the PlayStation Mobile platform, because it doesn't require the purchase of a dev kit as it is "totally software driven."


http://www.psu.com/a018466/Sony-making-indie-development-for-PS4-easier

 

I think the point is that Sony is willing to encourage indie devs to work on the system and one can infer that they are having a lot of discussion with them (not solely based on this article, but others).



 

Playstation = The Beast from the East

Sony + Nintendo = WIN! PS3 + PSV + PS4 + Wii U + 3DS