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Which Developed Country are you Glad you Don't live in

France/Italy 4 6.45%
 
Poland/Ukraine 8 12.90%
 
Russia 11 17.74%
 
South Korea/Japan 1 1.61%
 
Spain/Portugal 4 6.45%
 
United Kingdom 3 4.84%
 
USA 16 25.81%
 
Different Country in Eastern Europe 1 1.61%
 
Different Country in Former British Empire 0 0%
 
See Results 14 22.58%
 
Total:62
Michael-5 said:
dsgrue3 said:
I'm pretty shocked how high US is. China is the clear choice out of these nations, censorship, pollution, tossing baby girls in the garbage. The list is endless to the brutality of this country.

That's cause you're American, and generally opague to the problems your country has.

I mean China has pollution and USA doesn't? Last I Checked USA was second after China in terms of pollution.

Plus USA has really high homicide rates, rampant racism, a 36% Obesity rate, more then double any other option on this list, excessive debt (700 TRILLION $ bailout) to the poor, Increadable Capitalsm and mega corporations, red-necks who carry guns for "protection", a massive drug problem.....

USA has a higher poverty rate then China.

:-O!

Bet you didn't know that. USA's Poverty Rate is 15.1%, China's is 13.4%.

So if you moved to China, you'd actually be better off IMO.

Thank you for illustrating perfectly my point about blind prejudice towards the US.  Spoken like someone who has never been to either the US or China.  If you had been to China you would know that there is absolutely no comparison between the poverty levels of the 2. 

Now I don't know where you got those percentages and I'm not doubting that they're true.  However, they are probably based on the US dollar as per what the poverty level is and I can guarantee you from experience that the dollar goes a whole hell of a lot further in China than it does in the U.S.  I have seen poverty in China and it makes U.S. poverty look like wealth.



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dsgrue3 said:
Michael-5 said:
dsgrue3 said:

 

 

Obesity I have already said it's a problem, but again, it's a personal issue. You can't blame the country for your gluttony - that's ridiculous.

United States has freedom of speech, excellent standards of living, what used to be the best healthcare in the world (key word BEST, no doubt it can be prohibitively expensive), and great Universities. 

How you can say that it's as bad as China is really beyond me. They are WORLDS apart. You might as well be comparing a Yugo to a Ferrari. It's just a horribly one-sided battle. Anyone with some intellect can see this. Then again, you are from the UK...

Anyway, let's consider the UK while we're at it so maybe you'll learn something.

Poverty in the UK - 22%

£119 per week for single adult with no dependent children - that converts to about $9,700 (note: dollars, not pounds)

Result: Worse than USA and China by rate, Worse than USA by dollar amount.

http://www.poverty.org.uk/summary/key%20facts.shtml

"Obesity rates in the UK are the highest in Europe and have increased dramatically over the past few years to such an extent that in excess of 20% of the population are now obese and the costs to the UK economy exceed £3 billion per year. In Birmingham, over 25% of the population are obese - the third highest rate in the UK."

http://www.birmingham.ac.uk/research/activity/mds/centres/obesity/obesity-uk/index.aspx

Result: UK - 20% obese, not anything to brag about there.

Now that we've injected some facts into this I think you realize what a nescient person you've been.

Thanks for playing, Michael. Always a treat.

Not going to argue the other points, have better thing to do, but obesity...

Yes, you can be glad you don't live in a country with rampant obesity. I never blaimed the country, this thread isn't about blaiming people for the flaws of countries, but if you want to assign a blaime, I would assign it to mega-corporatism, capitalism, and poor lifestyles. So it's a mix of the individuals fault, and the governments.

Glad you agree that UK's Obesity is the highest in Europe, and second to USA. I voted Germany, but I do like Northern Europe.

As for the rest, is USA leading in healthcare? My dads a doctor and last I checked the level of education a doctor from a US univeristy and a Canadian/European University is the same. Maybe for 0.005% of individuals who are rich enough to buy an entire team of doctors devoted to them, but in General no. Actually I'd argue this serious nonuniformity of healthcase as worse because the average person will receive poorer care.

Freedom of Speech, wait people don't have this in Europe/Canada? Wait....without racism I guess we must be supressing our voices from imaginary dictators.

Excellent Standards of living? Yea maybe compared to non 1st world nations. $10 for a greesy McDonalds burger, versus $10 for a honest to god, properly cooked meal in Europe, yup I'd love to be in USA.

And actually, comparing USA to Europe is like comparing a Chevy (Basically a Yugo) to a Ferrarri. All China is, is Chery (Imitation Chevy brand).

I'm not from the UK, LOL. Nice to see that you're specifically insulting UK when USA's quality is being questioned. Guess Europe, or where I'm from is actually better then USA then since you're not insulting them. UK did score pretty high too, even if I separated USA and UK, I bet UK would come third, so it's no wonder you attack it. P.S. How you view UK is how others view USA too, just a bit more extreme.

LOL respond to half a post? Yep, done here.

You didn't respond to half my post, LOL

Regardless, you're arguement is that UK < USA, but what everyone else who is voting says....they both suck. You're only arguing that they don't suck as much as China, and that's fine, everyones got their own opinion. Just want to say because you're American you are a lot more oblivious the the flaws of living in the USA.

Visit Europe sometime, you'll see the huge difference in standards of living. You'll see a world without stucco housing which fall apart in a few years, places where restaurants actually cook your food from scratch, instead of reheat/recook it, places where the women are beautiful, products are reliable, and there isn't an add every 3 blocks telling you to go to Wal-Mart and buy an i___.



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dsgrue3 said:
DigitalDevilSummoner said:
US, someone might shot me. i don't wanna die cause someone got his ass kicked in high school
Jumpin said:

You love the US because of crazy gun people, violence, and murder?

Also, a country where it is safe enough that you don't have to defend yourself is much more free than a country where arming yourself for defense is a necessity.

 

It appears misinformation about guns is rampant.

US citizen.

Never owned or fired anything other than a bb gun, feel safe without any form of protection. 

Propaganda wins again it seems.

Assault by firearm 1 in 321

Firearms discharge 1 in 6,609

Homicide Victim 1 in 4,800

Motor vehicle incidents 1 in 98

Stroke 1 in 29

Cancer 1 in 7

Heart disease 1 in 6

It isn't the wild wild west over here...lol get a clue.

 

LOL, only in the USA (and UK, and probably Australia too) is Heart Disease the #1 killer.



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maximus22 said:
Michael-5 said:
dsgrue3 said:
I'm pretty shocked how high US is. China is the clear choice out of these nations, censorship, pollution, tossing baby girls in the garbage. The list is endless to the brutality of this country.

That's cause you're American, and generally opague to the problems your country has.

I mean China has pollution and USA doesn't? Last I Checked USA was second after China in terms of pollution.

Plus USA has really high homicide rates, rampant racism, a 36% Obesity rate, more then double any other option on this list, excessive debt (700 TRILLION $ bailout) to the poor, Increadable Capitalsm and mega corporations, red-necks who carry guns for "protection", a massive drug problem.....

USA has a higher poverty rate then China.

:-O!

Bet you didn't know that. USA's Poverty Rate is 15.1%, China's is 13.4%.

So if you moved to China, you'd actually be better off IMO.

Thank you for illustrating perfectly my point about blind prejudice towards the US.  Spoken like someone who has never been to either the US or China.  If you had been to China you would know that there is absolutely no comparison between the poverty levels of the 2. 

Now I don't know where you got those percentages and I'm not doubting that they're true.  However, they are probably based on the US dollar as per what the poverty level is and I can guarantee you from experience that the dollar goes a whole hell of a lot further in China than it does in the U.S.  I have seen poverty in China and it makes U.S. poverty look like wealth.

Thank you for illustrating perfectly my point about blind prejudice towards China.

Wikipedia, those poverty rates are CIA estimates.

Also, poverty in the USA is laregely covered up. You can always get a government subsidized home and live without heat/air con, but a lot of Americans struggle just to eat and live. Ever hear the expression "living from one paycheck to another?"

China isn't as bad as people make it out to be. Take Foxconn for instance, it's the Chinese company responsible for making electronics by nearly every brand. They make TV's, iPhones, Wii's, Cell Phones, you name it, they make it. They employ more people then any one country in Europe has. Foxconn pays people really little, but they also provide a lot, people who have been to Foxconn compare it to a high school. You have a library, a cafeteria, a tennis court, etc, etc, and you have Foxconn $$'s which are only excepted by Foxconn. These people still get paid real Chinese currency, but you know what? The suicide rate at Foxconn is lower then the suicide rate in US High schools and Universities, and Foxconn schools children too. If you've ever been there you will see that these 80 million people are so, generally the poorer people of China, live better lives then many students in the USA.

So while there might be a larger percentage of homeless people in China, the actualy poverty rate is lower because the people who do have homes live more comfortable lives then the people at the bottom of the pyramid in the USA.



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I have it say the USA even if I live there.
Don't get me wrong, I like the place where I am in the US but it is so atypical it doesn't represent how the living conditions are in the majority of the US.

Basically when looking at the US you have Austin, Texas and Boulder, Colorado ( both cities or their neighborhood gets ranked in top 10 best place to live in the US every year and both are very atypical of the state they are located in, and both are huge college towns and ultra liberal cities..) and then the rest of the US.

I live near Boulder...



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Michael-5 said:

LOL, only in the USA (and UK, and probably Australia too) is Heart Disease the #1 killer.

That is my point - safety isn't an issue.

You are the one that said the USA and China are comparable - I promptly rebutted it. Now you're trying to say it was my argument? 

Oh, Michael, you try so hard and still come up empty. It must really burn you.



dsgrue3 said:
Michael-5 said:

LOL, only in the USA (and UK, and probably Australia too) is Heart Disease the #1 killer.

That is my point - safety isn't an issue.

You are the one that said the USA and China are comparable - I promptly rebutted it. Now you're trying to say it was my argument? 

Oh, Michael, you try so hard and still come up empty. It must really burn you.

What?

I'm talking about how obesity kills. Almost everywhere else, Cancer tops Heart Disease.

What are you talking about? Accidental Deaths fall way down the list on every country, most people die of old age.



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Michael-5 said:
dsgrue3 said:
Michael-5 said:

LOL, only in the USA (and UK, and probably Australia too) is Heart Disease the #1 killer.

That is my point - safety isn't an issue.

You are the one that said the USA and China are comparable - I promptly rebutted it. Now you're trying to say it was my argument? 

Oh, Michael, you try so hard and still come up empty. It must really burn you.

What?

I'm talking about how obesity kills. Almost everywhere else, Cancer tops Heart Disease.

What are you talking about? Accidental Deaths fall way down the list on every country, most people die of old age.

You quoted me about my list of causes of death in the US. That was in response to those that think the USA is a hot bed for murder - just putting it into perspective. 

Homicide 1 in 4,800  or 0.00028%

Anyway, I'm glad you've decided to abandon your pursuit of comparing China to the USA. It was futile.

"most people die of old age" - nah, old age hasn't been a cause of death since the advent of modern medicine. Not sure where you've been.