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I hate to say it, but PC is probably better than all three consoles or their sucessors. Although Nintendo does seem to be trying to get a hold of the indie scene lately.

The problem is Nintendo hasn't cultivated an ecosystem for third party core game experiences.

Look at a developer of Little King Story ... they made that and many other games for the Wii but bailed out because their games were not making a profit on the Wii even with a large userbase.

Wii users basically just bought Just Dance, shovelware mini-game-a-thons, and fitness games. If they wanted their core game fix, they'd buy a Mario game or some licensed Lego/Mickey Mouse stuff.

Everyone else was screwed. Mad World, Little King Story, Silent Hill, The Conduit, etc. all these games ended up in the bargain bin. Nintendo themselves had Sin & Punishment and Excitebots flop, so they didn't even bother with Xenoblade (token limited release only after fans whined for a whole year), The Last Story, etc. in North America.

PC and XBLA and iOS are honestly better options for indie and start up devleopers.

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The proof is in the pudding, if these games sold "well" these developers would've come back and made more product for the Wii. They bailed out. Just because Shattered Memories sold even worse on other platforms doesn't mean Konami was happy with its sales period.

Games like Epic Mickey and Just Dance and Lego ____ keep getting made on the Wii over and over again because those are the types of games that sell big on the Wii platform.

If you're not in that categorey, you're pretty much screwed. When even Nintendo themselves has trouble selling core game experiences outside of a very strict formula, there's a problem there.

Why is it NOA doesn't feel there is a market for games like Fatal Frame on the Wii? Probably because there really isn't. Red Steel 2 was another example of this too, that game underperformed even though it was way better than the first game.

There's no point if the Wii userbase is 100 million if the roof for a game like Fatal Frame or Silent Hill on Wii is like 100k tops. That's not enough of an incentive for developers to get excited about the system.

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I'm not sure I can agree with you. Where are you gathering your conclusions from? What examples can you cite?

From what I can see, people who want to be creative go to PSN, LIVE, or Steam.

Also, the generalization that the user base of the PS3 or 360 only likes fighting games is as silly as saying that Wii owners only like cartoonish platformers. Journey breaking PSN sales records says otherwise.

That's because the Wii can't run RE5 without massive compromises. Ditto for Dead Space.

GoldenEye, Red Steel 2, Dead Space Extraction, Mad World, Little King Story, House of the Dead Overkill, Maramusa, were decent games.

There just isn't a huge market on the Wii for these types of experiences, even if they have a 100 million userbase. The Wii was basically the GameCube audience + some nostalgic throwback audience interested in a little retro Mario + a crap ton of soccer mom/fitness concious/hipster "blue ocean" audience that wouldn't touch something like Resident Evil 5 with a hundred foot pole to begin with.

The indie game scene doesn't need Nintendo, they're doing just fine with plenty of huge success stories these last few years like the Angry Birds, Farmville, Super Meat Boy, etc. etc. becoming break out blockbusters on tiny budgets. These success stories are tied to the iOS/PC/XBLA platforms, not Wii or DS, which really were great for Nintendo and dance/fitness game devs, not so great for anyone else really.

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