Actually, I wouldn't go as far as to it's the best of all time, but it's one of my favorites
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Actually, I wouldn't go as far as to it's the best of all time, but it's one of my favorites
Been away for a bit, but sneaking back in.
Gaming on: PS4, PC, 3DS. Got a Switch! Mainly to play Smash
lilbroex said:
That is a nicely positioned screenshot though. You can't see the blurry textures up close, the granulated carboard grass or flowers, the lack of object based lighting and shadows, the complete absence of physics and environmental movement and complete emptiness of the environment as a whole with only half the color diversity. Too bad that isn't how 99% of that game looks when it is actually running in real time. |
You're using a term like blocky to fault Dragon Quest 8 on points, when everything in Wind Waker shares that feature but worse. Wind Waker has many hills that go from one texture this one direction and if going up hill, the texture changes to an uphill slope, but it's clear to see it's a blocky and doesn't have a curved form. Almost all rocks in the game have flat edges. The side of most mountains and most ledges have flat edges. The game looks beautiful, no doubt about it, but it's a world of rectangles and squares.
Dragon Quest 8 has more detail on the characters, both main characters as well as the NPCs who look just as detailed as the main characters, and better textures for the environments.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DlJZHsVyNw
Although with Dragon Quest 8, you're right about the blurriness.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-OuV_zaOJY
Oh wait. That's just a crappy quality Youtube video. Most Dragon Quest 8 videos out there have people that use some terrible capture cards or upload it at low quality. Here's a good quality video though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ft-Qyb6PIJQ
kupomogli said:
You're using a term like blocky to fault Dragon Quest 8 on points, when everything in Wind Waker shares that feature but worse. Wind Waker has many hills that go from one texture this one direction and if going up hill, the texture changes to an uphill slope, but it's clear to see it's a blocky and doesn't have a curved form. Almost all rocks in the game have flat edges. The side of most mountains and most ledges have flat edges. The game looks beautiful, no doubt about it, but it's a world of rectangles and squares. Dragon Quest 8 has more detail on the characters, both main characters as well as the NPCs who look just as detailed as the main characters, and better textures for the environments. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DlJZHsVyNw Although with Dragon Quest 8, you're right about the blurriness. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-OuV_zaOJY Oh wait. That's just a crappy quality Youtube video. Most Dragon Quest 8 videos out there have people that use some terrible capture cards or upload it at low quality. Here's a good quality video though. |
I'm using a lot of terms to fault Dragon Quest 8.It had bland repetative enviroments with no interacitivy at all. It was designs nicely given the limitation of the PS2 compared to the Gamecube but lack of lighting, detailed shadows, short draw distance, low polygon count and stiffness prevent it from coming even remotely close to comparison. It used a really simplistic, flat art style.


And don't let me get started with the differences between DQ8 and DQS




Cel shading does tend to hold up better than realism usually. You're absolutely right about Wind Waker.
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| lilbroex said: And don't let me get started with the differences between DQ8 and DQS
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I'd hope the Gamecube 1.5 can push out better graphics than the PS2 can on a game that doesn't deviate off set pathways. They would have added the Wiimotes as add ons to the Gamecube otherwise. The original post isn't based on Wind Waker being a Nintendo game, though. It's the fact that another console game released during the same generation looks better.
The character models on Dragon Quest 8 look better in every way than those on Dragon Quest Swords in my opinion. NPCs in Swords look like complete garbage. Environments look better in Swords because it's nothing more than an on rails game so you can't explore past where they want you to see. Houses and other buildings look pretty crappy compared to Dragon Quest 8.
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| kupomogli said: I'd hope the Gamecube 1.5 can push out better graphics than the PS2 can on a game that doesn't deviate off set pathways. They would have added the Wiimotes as add ons to the Gamecube otherwise. The original post isn't based on Wind Waker being a Nintendo game, though. It's the fact that another console game released during the same generation looks better. The character models on Dragon Quest 8 look better in every way than those on Dragon Quest Swords in my opinion. NPCs in Swords look like complete garbage. Environments look better in Swords because it's nothing more than an on rails game so you can't explore past where they want you to see. Houses and other buildings look pretty crappy compared to Dragon Quest 8. |
Well, that jreply certainly sounds like that of an HD fanboy who is here to troll and defend his preferred games and console. The most generic Wii hate remark (Gamecube 1.5) ontop of completely skipping the point brought up in the main argument.
You show a complete failure to understand graphics and any form beyond your own preference which is obviously going to be whatever is on our preferred system. The character models in DQ8 are fat and blocky with drawn on cloths and physical features that have no depth or pronunciation and shallow simplistic color pallete. There is no aspect of DQ8 that come closes to the graphics of Sword though I will not debate this as you have obviously ran out of argument towards initial point and are trying to make a blind attack against something else since you couldn't counter initial arugment "ie" that Wind Waker has superior graphics. It is also obvious that fact means little to you as graphics are a matter of fact being that hey are numberical and measurable.
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If only Windwaker actually looked like that on the Gamecube. An HD re-release on WIi U would be a good move.

lilbroex said:
You show a complete failure to understand graphics and any form beyond your own preference which is obviously going to be whatever is on our preferred system. The character models in DQ8 are fat and blocky with drawn on cloths and physical features that have no depth or pronunciation and shallow simplistic color pallete. There is no aspect of DQ8 that come closes to the graphics of Sword though I will not debate this as you have obviously ran out of argument towards initial point and are trying to make a blind attack against something else since you couldn't counter initial arugment "ie" that Wind Waker has superior graphics. It is also obvious that fact means little to you as graphics are a matter of fact being that hey are numberical and measurable. |
I never knew the PS2 was an HD console. The more you know, right? Am I trolling because my game in question isn't a Nintendo game?
The post was about the best looking game and art style. I came back with the same console with a similar art style that looks better and what do you know, you throw a Wii game with conventional 3D graphics up there. If I wanted to just come over and troll Nintendo fanboys and prove them wrong about Wind Waker being the best looking game, I would have just mentioned God of Bore 3, Lords of Shadow, Uncharted 3, Gran Turismo 5, Forza 3, Battlefield 3, or Skyrim. Or best looking game and art style, I'd say Ni No Kuni. I don't have to though, because Dragon Quest 8 is a very beautiful PS2 game that looks far better than Wind Waker.
I mean you're just pulling at straws here. you now mention painted on clothes. Are you speaking about Wind Waker or Dragon Quest 8. Because every bit of clothing on the characters on Dragon Quest 8 protudes from their body, showing realistic depth. Even clothes on top of clothes, like the bags that everyone holds, or Angelo's cape going over his suit, and then his undershirt beneath that. It's not painted on. Although the belts while also having their own layer are only a single layer instead of hanging further out at the end.
Anyways. I very much think you were talking about Wind Waker when mentioning painted on clothing though. Some isn't but oh man if this picture doesn't throw that comment right back in your face. Not only that, but look at all the flat lines that make up the characters bodies. If that doesn't look bad.

Then shallow simplistic colors? Do we even need to look further than the last Wind Waker picture you posted. That ocean is a single color of blue. No detail to it at all other than the obvious waves and such. I've already mentioned the frequent dirt pathways and grass areas which is nothing more than a single solid color in a previous post. I mean are you even sure of what you're talking about because you seem to be attempting to throw a lot of big words around while pulling bs out of thin air.
So we have blocky everything, painted on clothes, and simplistic, which you apparently meant for Wind Waker but you said Dragon Quest 8. You're calling me a fanboy who's blindly protecting their favored game with obvious graphical flaws:?
Since clearly you don't know what you're talking about between games, I'll leave it on this note. Your opinion is you think Wind Waker looks better. Mine is that Dragon Quest 8 looks better. If that makes you feel better. Although, my opinion, atleast this particular opinion, is fact.
@kupomogli umm you saying that which game looks better is a fact?? Ugh no, that's definitely just opinion. When it comes to which somebody perceives to be better, that is purely to do with opinion, not fact. If somebody thinks in their genuine opinion that a scribble drawn by a five year old child looks better than the Cistine chapel, they are more than entitled to think that. Technique cannot really be disputed, but if something looks better to somebody else then nothing you or anybody else says can change that.