My bad.. In spanish Competencia= competence.. I was thinking they were True cognates.. Competencia in spanish mean, rivalry and capability depending on the context, they are Homonymous words.. What word should I hae used there? ;) I'll thanks your help..

Thanks, i'll remember from now on.. My english is stil far from perfect...

I didn't look at the numbers at first, you are right. I went by memory, to be totally honest. DS Square games were flying by my head, and I didn't remember the same support on the PSP. I did a study and was going to reply to you, telling you how you could've answered me without being a total jerk, but then my computer turned off (my foot hit the power cord off switch :D). Apart from the way you made me feel (worthless), my view wasn't completely wrong, it just needed to be adjusted. You could've said "Phil, make an effort", but calling me deluded didn't make me feel good at all.

I'll post more on what I discovered today maybe tomorrow, but in essence I realized that for certain franchises you were very right, that 3rd parties offered their high-profile IPs to the PSP rather than the DS. For example, GTA had 4 different titles while the DS only had 1. A similar thing happened for Monster Hunter, where the PSP had 4 versions and the DS had 0. There are explanations to this, and see that now the 3DS actually has these games (so the HW probably had to play in this). But my view was not so terribly flawed, because my findings in Square-Enix were that, of the 22 PSP games they made, 9 were full new games (not ports or remakes). On the DS, there were alot of new games, and even some new IPs. I didn't finish the count (my computer turned off), but they had a total of fifty some DS games, many of which were not poor titles and were fresh new games. I guess I just had the wrong 3rd party in mind when I said that, and I'll certainly study it in more detail tomorrow.

By now, with the amount of effort and research I put into my posts, I just ask a minimal amount of trust, is all. If I made a mistake by going by memory and having a misplaced view while doing so, calling me delusional was not respectful of the effort I put when I post, neither is it something I enjoyed from a friend. I'm starting to think that that's my delusion, and maybe I care too much and I should just take it cool. For that you would probably be right and this would've been a very positive thing. So, ultimately, thanks for your post.

Surprised these threads get bigger each week, I thought people would be use to vita sales by now.

(Given I know the conversation has become about a variety of things)

I added a tidbit in my last post. Honestly speaking Rol, I agree with you, but again I don't want to join in.

There is no good reason to think a handheld would do well at over 200 dollars. There will not be a reason to think this unless Vita posts good numbers in the West.

In Japan it is currently a foregone conclusion.

It is theoretically possible for handhelds to do well at over $200, but in order to do that they would need the sort of library that would create a positive value proposition even at that price point. No such handheld has ever existed, and it's unlikely that any such handheld ever will.

Vita needs a price cut in order to reach a parity in terms of value proposition. No single game that Sony can land on that platform will make it a positive value proposition in Japan, especially not with the 3DS standing right there, offering a more enticing value.

I very much trust your opinion here especially in this post. I had noticed something fishy (especially the weekly Japanese charts), but just assumed it was a growing trend from day one. I will take a close look at it tomorrow.

Do you really think the successor to the DS launching early November with Nintendogs, Layton, Zelda, Street Fighter, Sonic and Resident Evil... With Mario 3D and Monster Hunter a Month later along with numerous other 3rd party games launching a Month later, wouldn't have momentum going into Jan/Feb/March until Mario Kart and the other "big" games release?

It would have certainly been selling higher than it was in May, June or July of 2011. Games would be releasing regularly. It would have been bringing in more money for Nintendo. It would have been an almost perfect launch.

Just to clarify to some other posts - I'm not saying any handheld can/could succeed at a £250 pricepoint. I'm saying the 3DS could have.

I think you'd be okay unless you bring up racing games.

If we're talking sustained as in 2 Years, then I admit I'm wrong. I don't think the 3DS would have been able to hold the $250 pricepoint for 2 Years. I think it would have been fine with a cut taking it to $200 though, maybe before the Holiday push of 2012... Especially with Mario ready for it. They would still have been bringing in huge profits and I think sales would have been alright leading up to the Holiday push, staying at the front of the pack for Weekly sales.

January NPD has been suggested to be wrong. Really wrong by almost everybody. Even Pachter is calling it out. Using that to try prove a point wont work this time around. I also think 75k in Japan is pretty good considering one game worth buying has been released since December.

We might even have differing ideas on what a success would be for 2 Years at a +$200 pricepoint. Do you think that ~25 Million in 2 Years would have been good at above $200 on pure profit? I think 25 Million in 2 Years would have been doable (And good) for the 3DS if it released with the strategy I said. You probably disagree and I understand if/why you do.

I agree with this strategy. At 250$ for the holiday 2011 period with Mario 3DL and MK7, plus the usual holiday push, it would've sold with a holiday spike as usual, yielding high profits. If you'll say "then why didn't it work with the Vita at $250?", the simple answer is that, at that pricepoint, it's the games that matter, especially true during holiday season. And then, come summer, a cut to 200$ would've sufficed to sustain momentum, coupled with some casual offerings (since casuals buy at lower price).

But as I said in my earlier post, Carl (opinion which was ignored by all of you elite posters), is that Nintendo needed to release the 3DS early 2011 so as to ensure its foothold and early start in the market as compared to its competitor. For that reason, the 250$ pricepoint post holidays 2010 was impossible to sustain. 200$ thus at a post-holidays launch would've been a reasonable price for the hand-held. Coupled with low-cost AAA software (like 2D remakes) and Nintendo AAA big names as well as casual offerings, that was the only solution for a post-holiday launch, to keep investors happy. Also, predictions would have needed to fall some 5 millions, to say 10mil. Rol argues that 10mil was not enough to promote generation leadership of Nintendo, I'm still researching that. He may be right, but there are new factors to consider this gen (Playstation brand greatly diminished, Nintendo portable HW finally capable of high-end SD graphics, stronger 3rd party relations with certain devs).