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RolStoppable said:
happydolphin said:
RolStoppable said:

You are delusional.

And yes, that is my argument.

Thanks, that helps. Now I understand much more what you meant.

If you don't take me seriously, then you shouldn't be surprised when I treat you the same way.

I told you to take another look at the third party support for handhelds. The Japanese market is the most important one here, because approximately 95 % of the worthwile handheld games are developed in this country. Western publishers hardly give a damn about handhelds and if anything, they are moving towards iOS and Android.

In 2010, 22m units of DS software were sold and 16.5m units of PSP software. Since we are talking about third party support, we need to exclude first party software sales. On Sony's side, there's not much to deduct, because Sony's first party is basically non-existent on handhelds. On Nintendo's side, you have 5m units of Pokémon and 1m Tomodachi Collection, plus evergreens like NSMB and MK DS that each moved about a quarter of a million units. So for 2010, the PSP beat the DS in third party software sales despite an installed base that is only half the DS's; and if you scroll through the list of the yearly topsellers you'll easily find more high profile third party titles for the PSP which explains why the PSP won.

For 2011, a transitional year, I will combine DS and 3DS as well as PSP and PSV. 14.4m software units for Nintendo, 15.2m for Sony. These are the numbers that still include first party software and Nintendo already lost. Adjusting for third party software puts Nintendo at least 5m units below Sony.

If you had looked at these numbers, you wouldn't have come back with an answer like "I see heavy 3rd party support for the DS." The other option would be that you looked at them, but couldn't comprehend what you were seeing, but I rule this option out.

Despite the worldwide DS and Wii success, Nintendo in the eighth generation is basically in exactly the same spot they were in at the beginning of the seventh generation. Parity or slightly beating Sony in the hardware race just doesn't cut it and you should be worried.

I didn't look at the numbers at first, you are right. I went by memory, to be totally honest. DS Square games were flying by my head, and I didn't remember the same support on the PSP. I did a study and was going to reply to you, telling you how you could've answered me without being a total jerk, but then my computer turned off (my foot hit the power cord off switch :D). Apart from the way you made me feel (worthless), my view wasn't completely wrong, it just needed to be adjusted. You could've said "Phil, make an effort", but calling me deluded didn't make me feel good at all.

I'll post more on what I discovered today maybe tomorrow, but in essence I realized that for certain franchises you were very right, that 3rd parties offered their high-profile IPs to the PSP rather than the DS. For example, GTA had 4 different titles while the DS only had 1. A similar thing happened for Monster Hunter, where the PSP had 4 versions and the DS had 0. There are explanations to this, and see that now the 3DS actually has these games (so the HW probably had to play in this). But my view was not so terribly flawed, because my findings in Square-Enix were that, of the 22 PSP games they made, 9 were full new games (not ports or remakes). On the DS, there were alot of new games, and even some new IPs. I didn't finish the count (my computer turned off), but they had a total of fifty some DS games, many of which were not poor titles and were fresh new games. I guess I just had the wrong 3rd party in mind when I said that, and I'll certainly study it in more detail tomorrow.

By now, with the amount of effort and research I put into my posts, I just ask a minimal amount of trust, is all. If I made a mistake by going by memory and having a misplaced view while doing so, calling me delusional was not respectful of the effort I put when I post, neither is it something I enjoyed from a friend. I'm starting to think that that's my delusion, and maybe I care too much and I should just take it cool. For that you would probably be right and this would've been a very positive thing. So, ultimately, thanks for your post.