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happydolphin on 10 February 2012
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RolStoppable said:
happydolphin said:

I didn't look at the numbers at first, you are right. I went by memory, to be totally honest. DS Square games were flying by my head, and I didn't remember the same support on the PSP. I did a study and was going to reply to you, telling you how you could've answered me without being a total jerk, but then my computer turned off (my foot hit the power cord off switch :D). Apart from the way you made me feel (worthless), my view wasn't completely wrong, it just needed to be adjusted. You could've said "Phil, make an effort", but calling me deluded didn't make me feel good at all.

I'll post more on what I discovered today maybe tomorrow, but in essence I realized that for certain franchises you were very right, that 3rd parties offered their high-profile IPs to the PSP rather than the DS. For example, GTA had 4 different titles while the DS only had 1. A similar thing happened for Monster Hunter, where the PSP had 4 versions and the DS had 0. There are explanations to this, and see that now the 3DS actually has these games (so the HW probably had to play in this). But my view was not so terribly flawed, because my findings in Square-Enix were that, of the 22 PSP games they made, 9 were full new games (not ports or remakes). On the DS, there were alot of new games, and even some new IPs. I didn't finish the count (my computer turned off), but they had a total of fifty some DS games, many of which were not poor titles and were fresh new games. I guess I just had the wrong 3rd party in mind when I said that, and I'll certainly study it in more detail tomorrow.

By now, with the amount of effort and research I put into my posts, I just ask a minimal amount of trust, is all. If I made a mistake by going by memory and having a misplaced view while doing so, calling me delusional was not respectful of the effort I put when I post, neither is it something I enjoyed from a friend. I'm starting to think that that's my delusion, and maybe I care too much and I should just take it cool. For that you would probably be right and this would've been a very positive thing. So, ultimately, thanks for your post.

In general, I trust you. But when you come up with a reply that 100 % verifies that you didn't put any effort into it and completely ignored what I was saying, then it shows that you don't want to listen.

As for your most recent reply here, it is either missing the point or maybe you just want to do a general analysis of the entire generation which would be a separate discussion. What I am talking about is a shift in third party support that happened in the latter half of 2009. It doesn't matter how good the DS's and PSP's third party support was over the course of their entire lifecycles, what matters is the end of it, because that's telling us how third parties viewed Nintendo and Sony handhelds in recent years. If you go back to the year 2009, you'll see that DS third party software sales were roughly doubling those of the PSP, in 2010 the PSP had a slight lead and in 2011 the PSP had a notable lead over the DS and 3DS combined.

In other words, third party support for Nintendo handhelds has decreased significantly in the last couple of years while Sony made tremendous gains. Nintendo didn't enter this generation with third parties being confident in them, but rather the opposite. That's why it's completely wrong of you to assume that Nintendo basically had 3DS third party support in the bag. No, they have to earn it all over again. That's why the 3DS needed to sell exceptionally well out of the gate. That's why Nintendo needed to make a drastic price cut when the handheld didn't sell.

At times I feel like I am the only one who notices certain things. Hardly anyone ever mentioned this shift in third party support and most of the time in these Media Create threads I got the impression that people's explanation for the PSP's rise over the DS in Japan was simply "Sony is awesome and Nintendo sucks", completely ignoring that the PSP had a new game or two charting every week while the DS's pipeline of third party support was drying up.

I very much trust your opinion here especially in this post. I had noticed something fishy (especially the weekly Japanese charts), but just assumed it was a growing trend from day one. I will take a close look at it tomorrow.