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green_sky on 08 January 2012
Troll_Whisperer said:
I hope Sony don't make the same mistakes this time around, having the best graphics is cool and all, but that's not what will bring success.

Well said sir. Also i hope they just put more ram and video memory. Seems like modern gaming is ram and video card based. 



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osamanobama on 08 January 2012
thismeintiel said:
osamanobama said:
thismeintiel said:
osamanobama said:

Killzone 2 looks significantly better than that trailer, and Killzone 3 takes a shit all over it.

ps3 produces way better graphics than that

You have got to be joking.  I'm a big Sony/PS3 supporter and own both Killzone 2 and 3, both of which I feel are the two best looking FPSs on console.  While GG tried their best to get close to those trailers, they are definitely nowhere near being better than that trailer.  Facial animation, the scale of the city and battle, poly count and texture detail are all better in that trailer than in the real game.  There is a reason why there was controversy when both Motorstorm and Killzone 2 were actually released, but it had nothing to do with the graphics being better than what was shown at E3 '05.

are you watching the same video i am?

that if that game were to release today, it would be average at best graphically. Many many games have passed that up. the faces look way more cartoon-y, the explosions look fake, the gun models are crap-ola, the environmental detail is... lacking. every thing just looks not very good. its not impresive by todays standards.

motorstorm on the other hand...

We must not be watching the same one, cause the video looks better than the actual game.  There's only a couple of things the game got better, which are the character's looks (not talking poly count) and the colors (everything in the trailer looks a little too bright).  But other than that, the trailer outdoes the game on every level.  The environments look bigger and more detailed, and animations are better.  I don't really want to go offtopic anymore, so I'll just leave one more vid as my final argument.


im shocked that you think that, shocked. 

thats even the preview code (2 year old code) and it looks significantly better. 

from most reviews and people i have heard from they all think the final build looks way better.



Play4Fun on 08 January 2012
zarx said:
Play4Fun said:

I did not contradict myself.

You are uninformed because of your statement about the possibility of a N64 to Xbox gap between Wii U and and PS4/720. That's bullshit and far from the worst case scenario.  The other thing was your comment about Wii U being a DC to Xbox gap and that's  if Sony and MS were conservative.

You sound just like those annoying fanboys you meet all over the net who started gaming this gen and think that all Nintendo can do is extremely underpowered hardware like Wii despite it being obvious a Wii-like strategy is not their goal next gen. It's like pre-wii never happened and Wii is the console to judge all future Nintendo consoles by.

 

But whatever, I need to stop wasting my time on these kind of online arguments.

 

 


The Wii U is not an entirely unknown quantity, devs who have worked with the hardware have said it is arround as powerful as the Xbox 360/PS3 that is not a fanboy oh Nintendo only make underpowered hardware rant that is bassed on what actual devs and all known data suggests. In fact Nintendo themselves have said  "We're very sensitive, of course, to trying to do all of this at an appropriate price. So I don't know that we would be able to sit here and say that it's going to necessarily dramatically outperform the systems that are out now. It's part of the balance that we strike in terms of trying to find entertainment that is new and unique." so it's not like I am trolling Nintendo here. 

And given that MS and Sony will almost certainly offer a true generation leap then a N64 to PS2 leap is likely, more likely than even a Dreamcast to xbox leap. Hell given the history of Sony it is possible that they will try and use the PS4 to push 4K TVs and even for upscaling from 1080p+ native will require at least a 9x leap in power to make it look nice at solid framerates. And given that MS design hardware arround what developers want they will likely be using Epic's Samaritan tech demo as the target for their console which is talking arround a 8x leap. By 2013 the Xbox will be 8 years old, they managed to make a generational leap from Xbox to 360 in just 5, the tech is there to make it happen. And then there is Crytech have said they want a 10x leap MINIMUM next gen and they would prefer something like 16x the GPU power of current consoles and at least 8GB of RAM if they are going to offer a true generation leap in graphics with CGI movie level graphics, while that is outragous and will not happen unless the consoles launch late 2015 at the earliest it should give an indecation of the kind of leap some big developers are pushing for. Also do you really think that NaughtyDog would be scared of moving to the next generation if was only a Dreamcast to PS3 size leap?


I have been keeping up with Wii-U info more than you have. I've seen all the little leaks from sources on GAF and Beyond3D who have seen not just early dev-kits but the ones that came after as well. I know more about what to expect than you who are basing your info on a weak old rumor and Iwata's remarks back when the console was on its' early dev-kit as if he is going to declare it some beast of a console when he knows Sony's and MS' are going to beat it especially when Nintendo doesn't show off tech like they use to back in the GC/n64 days.

I'm not expecting Wii-U to be some beast of a console but I'm expecting a moderate leap that will put it in the situation of being more or less like a PC that plays games on medium vs PS4/720 being like a high-end PC that plays on high/ultra.

Unknowns of how Nintendo customises the GPU, how much RAM they put in and how much eDRAM it ends up with, since it's said to have a nice amount, will determine the size of the jump.

As for your final paragraph, 4K isn't happening next gen. Stop thinking PC enthusiast, this is consoles.  MS and Sony aren't going to design their console around matching Samaritan technically. Whatever they do will be able to surpass it artistically anyways.

And finally, the fact that you say N64 to PS2 wasn't a generational leap and act as if Dreamcast to PS3 isn't a huge generational leap and think we will have a leap bigger than that just proves that PC tech discussion is your forte and not this.



Play4Fun on 08 January 2012
brendude13 said:
Play4Fun said:
brendude13 said:

I'm also guessing Wii U will be underpowered compared to the other two. It's releasing earlier than the other two consoles, probably by 18 months, the fact that they called it "Wii U" is a pretty damn big giveaway that they aren't going to change their strategy or their target audience much.

Iwata stated very clearly what their strategy with Wii-U was at E3 2011.

Some people just  wath E3 for trailers and gameplay videos. They don't listen to commentary with important info it seems.

I know, I watched it twice.

When I watched it Live, I didn't even know they had unveiled a new console, let alone their strategy for it, I thought it was a controller. I did watch and read interviews after that and you are right, he did mention that the Wii U is going to be a hardcore console, I don't believe him though.

No. He never said the Wii-U will be a hardcore console.

He said Wii-U will try to strike a balance between hardcore and casual so that it can appeal to both markets unlike the Wii which mainly appealed to one side.



bouzane on 08 January 2012
Play4Fun said:
brendude13 said:
Play4Fun said:

I did not contradict myself.

You are uninformed because of your statement about the possibility of a N64 to Xbox gap between Wii U and and PS4/720. That's bullshit and far from the worst case scenario.  The other thing was your comment about Wii U being a DC to Xbox gap and that's  if Sony and MS were conservative.

You sound just like those annoying fanboys you meet all over the net who started gaming this gen and think that all Nintendo can do is extremely underpowered hardware like Wii despite it being obvious a Wii-like strategy is not their goal next gen. It's like pre-wii never happened and Wii is the console to judge all future Nintendo consoles by.

 

But whatever, I need to stop wasting my time on these kind of online arguments.

I'm also guessing Wii U will be underpowered compared to the other two. It's releasing earlier than the other two consoles, probably by 18 months, the fact that they called it "Wii U" is a pretty damn big giveaway that they aren't going to change their strategy or their target audience much.

Iwata stated very clearly what their strategy with Wii-U was at E3 2011.

Some people just  wath E3 for trailers and gameplay videos. They don't listen to commentary with important info it seems.

And yes, I know Wii-U will be weaker than the others.

But unlike the 'lol' Nintendo people I don't think it's going to be another Wii. I think it will be more like Wii U being a mid-end PC while PS4/720 are high end.

To me, by the time it is released the WiiU will be the equavalent of a low end PC and the PS4 and Xbox Delta/ Trinity will be mid-range.



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brendude13 on 08 January 2012
Play4Fun said:
brendude13 said:

I know, I watched it twice.

When I watched it Live, I didn't even know they had unveiled a new console, let alone their strategy for it, I thought it was a controller. I did watch and read interviews after that and you are right, he did mention that the Wii U is going to be a hardcore console, I don't believe him though.

No. He never said the Wii-U will be a hardcore console.

He said Wii-U will try to strike a balance between hardcore and casual so that it can appeal to both markets unlike the Wii which mainly appealed to one side.

Whatever, he said he's going after the hardcore market anyway. He is right to some extent, but as soon as the PS4 and the Xbox 720 launch they will probably switch back to a similar strategy to the Wii.



Play4Fun on 08 January 2012
bouzane said:
Play4Fun said:
brendude13 said:
Play4Fun said:

I did not contradict myself.

You are uninformed because of your statement about the possibility of a N64 to Xbox gap between Wii U and and PS4/720. That's bullshit and far from the worst case scenario.  The other thing was your comment about Wii U being a DC to Xbox gap and that's  if Sony and MS were conservative.

You sound just like those annoying fanboys you meet all over the net who started gaming this gen and think that all Nintendo can do is extremely underpowered hardware like Wii despite it being obvious a Wii-like strategy is not their goal next gen. It's like pre-wii never happened and Wii is the console to judge all future Nintendo consoles by.

 

But whatever, I need to stop wasting my time on these kind of online arguments.

I'm also guessing Wii U will be underpowered compared to the other two. It's releasing earlier than the other two consoles, probably by 18 months, the fact that they called it "Wii U" is a pretty damn big giveaway that they aren't going to change their strategy or their target audience much.

Iwata stated very clearly what their strategy with Wii-U was at E3 2011.

Some people just  wath E3 for trailers and gameplay videos. They don't listen to commentary with important info it seems.

And yes, I know Wii-U will be weaker than the others.

But unlike the 'lol' Nintendo people I don't think it's going to be another Wii. I think it will be more like Wii U being a mid-end PC while PS4/720 are high end.

To me, by the time it is released the WiiU will be the equavalent of a low end PC and the PS4 and Xbox Delta/ Trinity will be mid-range.

Wasn't the point I was trying to make...but okay.



Play4Fun on 08 January 2012
brendude13 said:
Play4Fun said:
brendude13 said:

I know, I watched it twice.

When I watched it Live, I didn't even know they had unveiled a new console, let alone their strategy for it, I thought it was a controller. I did watch and read interviews after that and you are right, he did mention that the Wii U is going to be a hardcore console, I don't believe him though.

No. He never said the Wii-U will be a hardcore console.

He said Wii-U will try to strike a balance between hardcore and casual so that it can appeal to both markets unlike the Wii which mainly appealed to one side.

Whatever, he said he's going after the hardcore market anyway. He is right to some extent, but as soon as the PS4 and the Xbox 720 launch they will probably switch back to a similar strategy to the Wii.

I would love to see your reasoning on this.



bouzane on 08 January 2012
Play4Fun said:
bouzane said:
Play4Fun said:
brendude13 said:
Play4Fun said:

I did not contradict myself.

You are uninformed because of your statement about the possibility of a N64 to Xbox gap between Wii U and and PS4/720. That's bullshit and far from the worst case scenario.  The other thing was your comment about Wii U being a DC to Xbox gap and that's  if Sony and MS were conservative.

You sound just like those annoying fanboys you meet all over the net who started gaming this gen and think that all Nintendo can do is extremely underpowered hardware like Wii despite it being obvious a Wii-like strategy is not their goal next gen. It's like pre-wii never happened and Wii is the console to judge all future Nintendo consoles by.

 

But whatever, I need to stop wasting my time on these kind of online arguments.

I'm also guessing Wii U will be underpowered compared to the other two. It's releasing earlier than the other two consoles, probably by 18 months, the fact that they called it "Wii U" is a pretty damn big giveaway that they aren't going to change their strategy or their target audience much.

Iwata stated very clearly what their strategy with Wii-U was at E3 2011.

Some people just  wath E3 for trailers and gameplay videos. They don't listen to commentary with important info it seems.

And yes, I know Wii-U will be weaker than the others.

But unlike the 'lol' Nintendo people I don't think it's going to be another Wii. I think it will be more like Wii U being a mid-end PC while PS4/720 are high end.

To me, by the time it is released the WiiU will be the equavalent of a low end PC and the PS4 and Xbox Delta/ Trinity will be mid-range.

Wasn't the point I was trying to make...but okay.


From the way I read it you were differentiating the Wii U from the Wii by it being mid-ranged as opposed to the Wii being low-end, not by the gap between it and it's competitors, my mistake.



darkknightkryta on 08 January 2012
Squilliam said:
darkknightkryta said:
Squilliam said:
So they know the final clock speed and enough specifications 18 months out to make a judgement like that?

You'd be surprised Squilliam.  Like, I remember a good year before the 360 released I used leaked 360 spec sheet as a basis for a presentation (We had to take an English writing class in our program and a presentation was an assignment).  The specs that were in those sheets were spot on to release; right down to the registers.  If Microsoft plans to launch in 2013; the hardware is already finalized (Same with Sony).

It isn't final until they tape out their final chip designs. Whilst the architecture may not change at this point they can still change the number of cores, RAM etc. Just because they didn't change it within a year of the leaked specifications doesn't mean that they won't. I believe that the PS3's RSX was a fairly last minute addition if I recall relatively to when it was supposed to release, I think within 18 months of early 2006.

The RSX was announced with the PS3 back at E3 05, 17 months before release (And to back up your reasoning, the RSX changed shortly before the PS3s release).  Though changing specs near release just isn't a good idea for many things.  Even changing ram will require more testing and possibly R & D.  For example: I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo misses the Wii U launch cause they're playing with specs still (If those rumours are true) .  But yes, you are right, Microsoft hasn't shown anything off and anything can change before announcement.  But if they plan to release shortly after they unveil the console (Which is anyone's guess, but rumours are saying), then the machine is most likely set in stone.

edit: About the RSX, now that I'm thinking about it, they probably decided to add it a year before its unveil.  They had to re-engineer the motherboard to support the card and they had tech demos ready for E3 05.