sapphi_snake said:
Mainly due to catholicism. |
Due to the whole 8% Catholic Population of Guyana?
That's why like 90% of the population is anti-gay and sees Aids as the gay disease?
Guyana was a colony of the British. Not the Spanish or Portugese.

sapphi_snake said:
Mainly due to catholicism. |
Due to the whole 8% Catholic Population of Guyana?
That's why like 90% of the population is anti-gay and sees Aids as the gay disease?
Guyana was a colony of the British. Not the Spanish or Portugese.

Kasz216 said:
Due to the whole 8% Catholic Population of Guyana? That's why like 90% of the population is anti-gay and sees Aids as the gay disease? Guyana was a colony of the British. Not the Spanish or Portugese.
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I thought we were talking about the South American region in general. It's the region with the largest population of catholics in the world. AIDS levels are also not very high in South America in general, if I'm not mistaken.
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sapphi_snake said:
I thought we were talking about the South American region in general. It's the region with the largest population of catholics in the world. AIDS levels are also not very high in South America in general, if I'm not mistaken. |
If you want to talk about all of South America. The presense of Homophobia in Guyana levels equal to the rest of south american bascially disporves your point. In general, if you look at what information we have about the local natives, you find that they themselves were pretty "Anti-gay" before the spanish ever got there. Although there definition of gay was "You get penetrated". You could screw your slaves all you want because it was a sign of power, but if you had the opposite happen or engaged in an act with another citizen and you'd get executed. Lesbinism... no clue honestly, considering male based society, it probably wasn't even considered a thing. Heck, that's sorta how it was in europe too.
The Aztecs in particular thought that gayness was the downfall of their culture and empire once before.
This was actually quite ironic considering they essentially had 4 genders to take into account the transgendered.
Everyone was pretty homophobic except the Toltecs anyway.
As for Aids... levels are fairly high in south america actually in line with most other countries. In general aids reporting can be a tricky thing though because people often will avoid going to the doctor out of fear in stigmitized countries.
It just seems low because a normal prevelence rate is something like .4% while somewhere like Swaziland ends up at 25% plus.

| Kasz216 said: If you want to talk about all of South America. The presense of Homophobia in Guyana levels equal to the rest of south american bascially disporves your point. In general, if you look at what information we have about the local natives, you find that they themselves were pretty "Anti-gay" before the spanish ever got there. Although there definition of gay was "You get penetrated". You could screw your slaves all you want because it was a sign of power, but if you had the opposite happen or engaged in an act with another citizen and you'd get executed. Lesbinism... no clue honestly, considering male based society, it probably wasn't even considered a thing. Heck, that's sorta how it was in europe too. The Aztecs in particular thought that gayness was the downfall of their culture and empire once before. This was actually quite ironic considering they essentially had 4 genders to take into account the transgendered. Everyone was pretty homophobic except the Toltecs anyway. As for Aids... levels are fairly high in south america actually in line with most other countries. In general aids reporting can be a tricky thing though because people often will avoid going to the doctor out of fear in stigmitized countries. |
Yes, this seems to be a characteristic of patriarchal societies in general. Christianity doesn't help things though.
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Maybe I missed it in the pages of religious intolerance within this thread, but where is there any evidence that this act was committed by a Christian or (even if it was committed by a Christian) that their religious beliefs had anything to do with this crime? Was this family following a odd Christian denomination which advocated against temperance and tolerance in favor of wrath and intolerance? Were these parents exposed to constant sermons calling for the mutilation of the genitals of gay children?
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| HappySqurriel said: Maybe I missed it in the pages of religious intolerance within this thread, but where is there any evidence that this act was committed by a Christian or (even if it was committed by a Christian) that their religious beliefs had anything to do with this crime? Was this family following a odd Christian denomination which advocated against temperance and tolerance in favor of wrath and intolerance? Were these parents exposed to constant sermons calling for the mutilation of the genitals of gay children? |
Religious beliefs generally always have something to do with such crimes. Also, it's not as if such practices are uncommon amongst christians. Wasn't there one point where boys caught masturbating would be circumcised (or severely psychologically and physiologically traumatized at least)?
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sapphi_snake said:
Religious beliefs generally always have something to do with such crimes. Also, it's not as if such practices are uncommon amongst christians. Wasn't there one point where boys caught masturbating would be circumcised (or severely psychologically and physiologically traumatized at least)? |
Isn't saying "Religious beliefs generally always have something to do with such crimes." a lot like saying "Left wing political beliefs generally always have something to do with rioting", being that left wing protests devolve into riots far more often than conservative protests? Would it be fair to arbitrarily claim a riot was the fault of socialism with no evidence that the protestors were socialists? Are the beliefs to blame even though the vast majority of people who maintain those beliefs find the actions undertaken by a handful of individuals to be abhorrent?
On top of that, I have never heard of a time or place where boys have been circumcised for masturbating and I'm fairly certain that the person who told you that was lying. Circumcision is a procedure that is predominantly performed when a child is an infant for cultural and hygienic reasons. On top of that, in Christianity (in particular Catholicism) masturbation would be considered a sin it would have been committed by an individual who had already had their first communion and they would be expected to confess their sin to a priest who would handle out an appropriate punishment; most likely a series of prayers that they were expected to recite.
Personally, I would advise you to take several religious studies courses and look for information about religion away from ignorant anti-religion zealots.
Andrespetmonkey said:
Jesus and the bible is strongly agaisnt homosexuality. My original point was that there is a high probability that they did it because of the idealogies of their religion, which is most likely christianity, which sees homosexuality as disgusting and wrong, so yes, there is a huge connection. |
After reading this, i realized u don't know shit about christianity. Sooo....where to start.
1.Jesus Christ WAS NEVER EVER AGAINST ANY GROUP OF PEOPLE. HIS TEACHINGS ARE A FOUNDING STONE OF CHRISTIANITY, AND NOT ONCE DID HE SPEAK AGAINST ANY GROUP OF PEOPLE AT ALL! Honestly, my 7 year old sister has more knowledge of christianity
2.Stoning children and wifes??? ARE FUCKING LISTENING TO YOURSELF ??? I seriously had a MUCH HIGHER opinion of u before this post.
"Let thee who is without sin cast the first stone" <--- Sounds familiar to you? Probably not. You dont know the founding teachings of chrtianity and spew bullshit about it.
3.Beating slaves? Jesus advised slaves to be obedient to their masters TO AVOID getting beaten. He was against slavery all together, as he considered all man to be equal and children of God.
4.If you are talking about Soddom and Gomorrah
1.) Thats probably a biblical myth
2.)If GOD himself killed them, I am sure he had a good reason. I mean, if death penalty by people is approved, death penalty by the Lord himself is unquestionable
5. Noahs ark is a myth, has nothing to do with christian morals. Not that i excpect you to actually be knowledgeable about this topic
It is arguable if Christianity sees homosexuality as a sin - Jesus nor God nver said so. It is likely however that view on homosexuality was borrowed from jewish tradition and culture and was written in the old testament (which is mostly irrelevant to christians btw) It happens quite often that one religion borrows a tradition or a cultural rule of another to make a conversion of that cultural group easier
Their ideology is nothing like christian, christianity doesn't support torture or violence, you need to stop judging the whole religion based on actions of few zealots (what am i saying? that's impossible for an atheist) and we don't even know if these people are even christians to begin with
My bolded part shows how intelligent you are. If u haven't noticed, my whole post was sarcastic. There IS more to a person than its sexuality, and christianity DOES say hate THE SIN, NOT THE SINNER. If you are able to connect the dots here, you would figure out that all that translates into Christians SHOULDN'T HATE HOMOSEXUALS because that's not what the christian message is, and no matter how many other "christians" act the other way, that will ALWAYS remain so.
Don't bother with trying to start a debate on the matter, because you seem like a lost cause on this matter. Im not gonna change your opinion and you sure as hell ain't gonna change mine so why waste time? I just hope you think a little about what I wrote