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thismeintiel on 07 November 2011
sapphi_snake said:
thismeintiel said:

Lol, you honestly believe that?  Hatred and intolerance of those different from ourselves is born form being human, not from religion.  Some are able to overcome it, some aren't.  And atheists have just as much chance of hating and not tolerating to those who do believe there is a God, as people of religion do.  This can be seen in the way they lash out at Christians by finding ways to blame them for things they do not control or having heated arguments about how they are stupid for believing in a religion that is just, in atheist's views, fantasy.  Or trying to have Christian customs removed from the public's eye.  In fact, your response and the OP's demonstrate that both of you have a certain level of hatred and intolerance of Christians, blaming them for this incident even when no religion was brought up in the original report.

I think many people on here didn't actually catch the point I made in the OP.

No, I'm sure they saw it, but aren't biased against Christians, so it was ignored or disputed.  And the main reason the religion of the parents wasn't reported was probably because the reporters were so disgusted by the act, they didn't give a shit what religion the parent's were.  You know, the way you should have acted.  Like I said before, it's sad that the impact of this article is dulled by your bias in the OP.



 

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Andrespetmonkey on 07 November 2011
Joelcool7 said:
sapphi_snake said:
Joelcool7 said:

Sapphi as much as I hate these kinds of stories and agree they are horrible. You tend to focus entirely on one or two incidents to prove a point rather then showing the real issues. This has nothing to do with whether you are Christian or Muslim or any faith or belief system. Similar occurances happen around the world regardless of belief system.

Also the fact that this is about two kids accused of being homosexual. So what? Honestly what about the countless children disfigured or killed because they have strait sex? How about the thousands of children killed each year in Communist China by Atheists who wanted a boy rather then a girl. Or the buddhists who do the same in China!

The children and young adults killed in honor killings regardless of culture or religion.

Look yah bad things happen and this is a horrible story. But you always report these stories in an attempt to picture Christians in particular as these horrible people. You only report stories that line up with your ideology and further your point without ever acknowledging the actions of millions of others.

I mean some of the things to Soviets did and the Chinese Government and Atheists in China have done to Christians is horrific and in many cases worse. Like Chinese people breaking into a church, raping the women in front of their husbands and fathers before killing the men. Cutting the women up and leaving a blood bath.

Or burning church's filled with children and parents while they suffer dying the Athiests stand outside doing nothing. While the Government also stands aside and allows the massacres to happen in the interest of silencing religion so that Athiesm goes un-challenged.

Look its human nature to do such brutal actions. Each and every human is capable of doing these things if put in the right circumstances or mental conditions. The best we can do is speak out against these injustices, but you don't seem to want these horrific events to stop. Instead of trying to promote unity forgiveness and human rights you try to promote hatred and intollerance. That is a very sad thing to see!

First of all, I can post whatever articles I want. I think it's ridiculous to expect me to make a thread about every single attrocity I read on the news. You're free to make your own threads about whatever you feel I've missed.

Second of all, selective abortion in China is done because of cultural reasons (in Chinese culture, like in the overhwelming majority of cultures worldwide, men are considered to be more valuable than women). You'll find that even christians in China would rather have a boy than a girl.

Third of all, if the church burning and raping really happened, you should've posted something about it. Could've been interesting.

Fourth of all, I'm all for such horific events stopping. I'm not the problem. Religious fundementalists, ultranationalists, racists, xenophobes, authoritarian regimes etc. are the problem. And I believe I've always openly condemned such people/entities.


Firstly no I don't expect you to make a thread about every single atrocity. I was pointing out you only create threads that support your ideological point of view even though they aren't really relevant to that point of view. I have never seen you post a single thread about the atrocities Atheists have committed. In fact if I bring them up you tend to completely ignore them or justify them or blame them on Authoritarian Governments. I am sorry but Atheists in China attack Christians on a daily basis and most often these cases are not actually perpetrated by the authoritarian regime but average atheist citizens.

Why don't I create threads about all the atrocities committed against Christian's? Because I know everyone is aware they are occurring just like atrocities against other faith groups. Me posting about it would be showing bias and trying to push a religious agenda, it would be unfair to all those others who get persecuted and no coverage at all. I don't want the reputation you have of only promoting hatred towards religious groups and never posting a story without an agenda. Sapphi you are quickly getting a reputation as someone who likes to create propaganda and can't tolerate people with different world views then your own.

Also blaming the slaughter of unwanted girls on culture is convenient. Considering you took a stance against circumcision something deeply rooted in Jewish and Christian culture but that is horrible and killing babies because you want a boy is perfectly fine. Stoning is also cultural I guess you support that as well and in many cultures rape and female genital mutilation are cultural so I guess they too are okay. Justifying actions based on culture is absurd and you yourself have said so.

Your right that could have been interesting. But as I said I like to avoid pushing propaganda I always reply to defend my beliefs but I try to avoid producing topics with the sole intent of creating hatred or fanning flames. It is not fair to the other users who read my threads to attack their religious beliefs and only represent my own world view.

Also yes you have always condemned such atrocities but you never admit that atheists are responsible for any of them. Instead of acknowledging that their are horrible Atheists who do just as bad things as any other religion you pick entirely on the religious believers of VGChartz. In particular you single out Christians but have also attacked Muslims and Jews.

If I start creating tons of threads about the horrible things Atheists are doing the only thing that would be accomplished is tons of pissed off VGChartz members. I don't see a reason to go out and attack users of VGChartz and their beliefs out side of defending my own. You have created a reputation for always pushing an agenda you can't create a thread without trying to somehow attack Christianity, Islam or other religions.

Example you state there is a 57% chance that this family is Christian. That isn't as big as you'd like to think. There is a 43% chance that they were of another belief. Fact is their are multiple belief systems this could be from Voodoo to Hindu. You mention Christianity because you want to push hatred of Christianity in your thread.

Also if all these atrocities stopped you wouldn't have any ammo or basis for your beliefs. I highly doubt you would like for all the religious atrocities to stop. You feed off the hatred and is a huge basis for your beliefs from my prior convo's with you. If all the Christians were perfect and always did the right thing you wouldn't be able to criticize them anymore which would definitely not be something you want.

Its not that creating threads about this event is wrong its your attempt to fan the flames of hatred that are. There was no need to mention religion at all in this topic since there wasn't even a basis for the accusation outside the slight chance the family was Christian. That fact was irrelevant and the only possible reason for its inclusion would be to promote hatred and hurt peoples ability to understand or forgive.

That's because those atrocities aren't commited in the name of atheism. After that it it TL;DR



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Andrespetmonkey on 07 November 2011
thismeintiel said:
Andrespetmonkey said:
Joelcool7 said:

Sapphi as much as I hate these kinds of stories and agree they are horrible. You tend to focus entirely on one or two incidents to prove a point rather then showing the real issues. This has nothing to do with whether you are Christian or Muslim or any faith or belief system. Similar occurances happen around the world regardless of belief system.

Also the fact that this is about two kids accused of being homosexual. So what? Honestly what about the countless children disfigured or killed because they have strait sex? How about the thousands of children killed each year in Communist China by Atheists who wanted a boy rather then a girl. Or the buddhists who do the same in China!

The children and young adults killed in honor killings regardless of culture or religion.

Look yah bad things happen and this is a horrible story. But you always report these stories in an attempt to picture Christians in particular as these horrible people. You only report stories that line up with your ideology and further your point without ever acknowledging the actions of millions of others.

I mean some of the things to Soviets did and the Chinese Government and Atheists in China have done to Christians is horrific and in many cases worse. Like Chinese people breaking into a church, raping the women in front of their husbands and fathers before killing the men. Cutting the women up and leaving a blood bath.

Or burning church's filled with children and parents while they suffer dying the Athiests stand outside doing nothing. While the Government also stands aside and allows the massacres to happen in the interest of silencing religion so that Athiesm goes un-challenged.

Look its human nature to do such brutal actions. Each and every human is capable of doing these things if put in the right circumstances or mental conditions. The best we can do is speak out against these injustices, but you don't seem to want these horrific events to stop. Instead of trying to promote unity forgiveness and human rights you try to promote hatred and intollerance. That is a very sad thing to see!

So you really think these parents would do that to their kids for any other reason than their christianity? And then you go to attribute several astrocities to atheism. You are aware that none of those can be commited in the name of atheism right? (unless you're batshit insane) But they can easily be done in the name of religion. You're just making it seem as if it's the fault of atheism. It isn't. It's the fault of an oppressive government.

Hatred and intollerance cannot possibly come from atheism in any way at all. But it can easily come from a bible or a qu'ran. Stop trying to imply that it's the other way around. 

Lol, you honestly believe that?  Hatred and intolerance of those different from ourselves is born form being human, not from religion.  Some are able to overcome it, some aren't.  And atheists have just as much chance of hating and not tolerating to those who do believe there is a God, as people of religion do.  This can be seen in the way they lash out at Christians by finding ways to blame them for things they do not control or having heated arguments about how they are stupid for believing in a religion that is just, in atheist's views, fantasy.  Or trying to have Christian customs removed from the public's eye.  In fact, your response and the OP's demonstrate that both of you have a certain level of hatred and intolerance of Christians, blaming them for this incident even when no religion was brought up in the original report.

I never said Atheists can't be hateful and intolerant, I said Hatred and Intolerance cannot come from atheism. All atheism is is the lack of belief in a god(s) - no correlation between that and hatred and intolerance.

No, I don't hate or am or intolerant of christians. My mum's a christian. I really don't hate her or am intolerant of her views. Do I hate the bible she keeps on her bookcase? Sure. But I don't hate the people that believe it. I'm not blaiming christians as a whole for what was in this thread, I'm blaiming christian ideas. 

And about atheists wanting to have christian customs removed from public spaces, that is because america is a secular country, and if it's taxpayers money that is paying for christian displays, that's unfair to non-christians. And if christians want nativity scenes etc. on and around public buildings, everyone else should be able to do that to, which a lot of the time isn't the case. + The vast majority of atheists don't care if it's private property, it's just when it's payed for by the state or when the state is clearly promoting christianity (which it really shouldn't do). We don't get this problem in the country I'm in because it is actually secular. 



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Andrespetmonkey on 07 November 2011
Marks said:
sapphi_snake said:

And people criticize muslims. Speaking of that, it's funny how this article doesn't mention the religion of the parents (which is most likely christian). I wonder why?


Wow that's some ignorant ass shit to say. Guyana is only 50% Christian, 35% Hindu and 10% muslim. So yeah there's a 50/50 chance they were Christian but they could have been Hindu or Muslim just as easily. 

But what's religion have to do with this? Its just some crazy ass mom. Not everything anti-gay is due to religious reasons. I personally am against homosexuality but not because of religion. 

Time to open another can of debate. Why are you against homosexuality? 



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Kasz216 on 07 November 2011

Why are you assuming it's because of homosexuality... and not incest something that is generally considered far worse, even by evangelists?


Outside that... being Guyana it could really be ANY religion.  Anti-gay sentiment in Africa really doesn't have a religious base and is more culturally viewed as wrong.

I think it has to Aids... though there may be other factors.

I mean my god, the amount of assumptions are just staggering.



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Player1x3 on 07 November 2011
Andrespetmonkey said:
Cirio said:
sapphi_snake said:
Cirio said:
And once again religion gets shoved into a topic that had nothing to do with religion whatsoever. What if these parents were *gasp* atheists and not "most likely Christian"? I honestly feel embarrassed when I read some peoples' posts on this site; which is precisely the reason I don't post here often.

There's a 57% chance that they're christians, and a 4% chance that they're atheists.

Right... and what does this have to do with religion? They didn't do this to their children because of their religion, so why bring religion into this topic?

They most likely DID do it because of their religion, Christianity, which sees homosexuality as disgusting and wrong.

Indeed, the Bible and Jesus said to burn off childrens genitals if they caught them fucking other children i just dont remember where tho. Oh yeah, that's right - Christianity is against violence and torture overall, especially against little children. But let's focus on parts I don't like and over exaggerate them as blow them out of propotion. Oh and the parents had to be absolutely christian, because, you know, we're just that fucked up xD. And as we all know, judisam, islam and Hinduism have all absolutely nothing against homosexuality at all.Africa is one of the most gay friendly continents usually and people there aren't very worried the kid might get AIDS, because its so rare in Africa and incest is usually toleratedcin most countries in the world, so it couldn't be that either. The only reason this could have occurred is because of white man' christianity that says hate the sinner, not the sin, and as we all know there's nothing more to person than his sexuality, and since Jesus tought never to forgive a sin no matter how small and insignificant, that all translates to = Christians burn off their childrens genitals if they caught them in ''homosexual'' acts(because,you know, children by age of 7 have their sexuality all figured out).

Perfect logic, there's no arguing about it



SnesTea on 07 November 2011
Play4Fun said:
Was shocked to come into this thread and see this happened in the very city where I am currently residing.

Then was disgusted to see that the Thread Creator was Sapphi trying to push his stupid agenda as usual.

The worst and most ignorant poster on this forum, I swear.

QFFT. Thank you man.



Andrespetmonkey on 07 November 2011
Player1x3 said:
Andrespetmonkey said:
Cirio said:
sapphi_snake said:
Cirio said:
And once again religion gets shoved into a topic that had nothing to do with religion whatsoever. What if these parents were *gasp* atheists and not "most likely Christian"? I honestly feel embarrassed when I read some peoples' posts on this site; which is precisely the reason I don't post here often.

There's a 57% chance that they're christians, and a 4% chance that they're atheists.

Right... and what does this have to do with religion? They didn't do this to their children because of their religion, so why bring religion into this topic?

They most likely DID do it because of their religion, Christianity, which sees homosexuality as disgusting and wrong.

Indeed, the Bible and Jesus said to burn off childrens genitals if they caught them fucking other children i just dont remember where tho. Oh yeah, that's right - Christianity is against violence and torture overall, especially against little children. But let's focus on parts I don't like and over exaggerate them as blow them out of propotion. Oh and the parents had to be absolutely christian, because, you know, we're just that fucked up xD. And as we all know, judisam, islam and Hinduism have all absolutely nothing against homosexuality at all. Just this fucked up white man' christianity that says hate the sinner, not the sin, and as we all know there's nothing more to person than his sexuality, and since Jesus tought never to forgive a sin no matter how small and insignificant, that all translates to = Christians burn off their childrens genitals if they caught them in ''homosexual'' acts(because,you know, children by age of 7 have their sexuality all figured out).

Perfect logic, there's no arguing about it

Jesus and the bible is strongly agaisnt homosexuality. 
"Christianity is agaisnst violence and torture overall"? Have you read it? What about stoning your children/wife/neighbors etc. Or what about jesus' instructions on how to beat your slaves? What about the thousands of people God killed in the bible? What about God destroying everything and everyone apart from a family and a few animals? 
And judaism and islam are just as bad if not worse, so I agree with you there.

My original point was that there is a high probability that they did it because of the idealogies of their religion, which is most likely christianity, which sees homosexuality as disgusting and wrong, so yes, there is a huge connection. 

The stuff I put in bold don't really relate to anything I said, but actually relates to the stupidity of the parents and what christianity teaches, so thanks.



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sad.man.loves.vgc on 07 November 2011

I sense so much anger and negativity against the OP....

I like you sapphi! you always post stuff that produce cool discussions. Don't mind the haters



Marks on 07 November 2011
Andrespetmonkey said:
Marks said:
sapphi_snake said:

And people criticize muslims. Speaking of that, it's funny how this article doesn't mention the religion of the parents (which is most likely christian). I wonder why?


Wow that's some ignorant ass shit to say. Guyana is only 50% Christian, 35% Hindu and 10% muslim. So yeah there's a 50/50 chance they were Christian but they could have been Hindu or Muslim just as easily. 

But what's religion have to do with this? Its just some crazy ass mom. Not everything anti-gay is due to religious reasons. I personally am against homosexuality but not because of religion. 

Time to open another can of debate. Why are you against homosexuality? 


Just personal reasons dude, I find it unnatural. I'm not even religious, and if I ran a country I'd still legalize gay marriage (no point stopping it)...I just personally am against it. I just don't think we're designed to be with the same sex, whether you believe in creation or evolution you should agree with that.