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snakenobi said:

meh

come back when you are alot more mature

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Seriously dude?  when HE'S more mature?  You're the one pushing your beliefs, belittling others, and failing to even attempt to counter anyone's points.  You're basically an 8 year old putting his fingers in his ears going "LAAALALALA, CAN'T HEAR YOU!" when someone tries to tell you Santa Claus doesn't exist.  (assuming you still believed in Him when you were 8) 

but yeah, wow dude.  just wow. 



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snakenobi said:
non-gravity said:
snakenobi said:

Buddhism doesn't have a god and most scientist are panthiest

I conclude that Buddhism is either an atheist religion or no religion at all, depending on what definition I choose.

its not atheistic religion,Buddhist have said it when atheism started to rise at first.it is a religion but abrahamic religion have almost changed the meaning of the word 'religion' as equal to GOD.they portray it as the same thing

 

Buddhism is irreligious(not religion is the way other religions define word 'religion' as) or pantheism(a separate GOD doesn't exist as GOD is the universe,no debate happens on GOD)

basically its an ideology

 

most atheist follow the same ideology of humanism and equality which is not an atheistic quality but pantheistic quality

 

what i have been trying to tell them is that the ideology you have have effects on every moment of your life  and others in this world.they are hell bent on the main meaning of atheism and not how its ideology affects people and things surrounding them

 

Well at least you have admited that Athiests aren't a bunch of amoral anachists that would just as likely shank you as shake your hand. But you still seem to be stuck thinking that humanist qualaties are panthiestic rather than the other way arround. Humanisim and equality are traights onto themselves almost all religions have humanist qualaties, the qualaties do not belong to any religions. 

I don't know how many times you have to be told until you grasp the fact, but being athiest only relates to the belief in god etc. It does not conflict with any other idiology, and being athiest doesn't make you any more likely to do bad things in life. You don't have to belong to a religion to be an upstanding well rounded human being.



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Ok, snakenobi, your definition of atheism is very different from the true definition of atheism. The image of atheists that you have in your head is far from reality.

If you had ever had an intention of creating serious discussion, then please write a short definition of atheism and atheists, and then a short definition of pantheism and pantheism so that we won't have to deal with all these communication problems.

Also, your english needs improvement.



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Runa216 said:
Ignorance is powerful, evidently.

Reminded me of this for some reason



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snakenobi said:
setsunatenshi said:
Snakenobi, your arguments are filled what are called logical fallacies...

Just to point out a few, straw man arguments:

when you are putting all atheists into 1 bandwagon pretending all agree with what you're arguing against. In this case you're forgetting that apart from 'i don't believe in the existence of a god' there's nothing else you can unite all atheists in.
As an example, the Buddhists you so much seem to praise ARE atheists too.

Buddhist are pantheist.Buddhist's live a moral life

 

real atheist wouldn't behave morally as they don't believe in consequences

pantheist are atheist who are moral.

 

i am trying to tell pantheists who wrongly identify themselves as an atheist


This is pretty amazing, from my entire post you decide to address only this part refering to where you use a strawman argument... and you use the same strawman argument again.

I'll try it in another way...

 

What gives you the right to decide what a 'real' atheist views on morality are? Who are you to say how a 'real' atheist will act? Why would you say a 'real' atheist doesn't believe in consequences?

Example used: Person X goes around all the people he/she knows and decides to be absolutely honest in pointing out the flaws he/she sees in them. Mary, you're way too fat. Paul, you're one of the most stupid people I know. John, you have an awful odor, I can't stand being near you. Anna, you are dumb as a rock but I would love to have sex with you. Andy, you talk too much and everyone I know hates you. Etc...

 

Did person X act morally because he/she spoke what he/she perceived was the truth?

Will this attitude towards other people displayed by person X carry any consequences in his/her life?

Can you tell wether person X is an atheist or a person with any kind of theistic belief?

 

Thank you for playing... baby steps, baby steps...



I don't see why atheists really need a reason.



Akvod said:
It's not that there's a reason to disbelieve in god, but that there's no reason to believe in god.

Modern Western logic began with Descartes and skepticism. Skepticism has been at the root of our knowledge gaining process ever since then.

Think of the following things:

Scientific method.
Presumed innocent until PROVEN guilty.
Statistic (Null/Alternative hypothesis).
Occam's Razor

The consensus we've had over the past 200 years is that we believe in things, until they are proven. If they aren't we either don't believe in anything, or assume the most simple possibility.

Atheism isn't a BELIEF. It is a LACK of belief.

Actually, Occam's razor I think would go against atheism oddly enough. 

People generally confuse Occam's razor with another principle... i forget what it is.

Occam's Razor suggests that when picking among theories you pick the one with the least amount of new assumptions.

As far as history goes, atheism is relativly new as far as a belief goes.  Going back in time, it seems as if all groups had some form or religion or another.

"The spiritual" is really anything but new as far as a field of existence goes.

It's worth noting the creator.  William of Occam, who was himself.... a fransician friar.

The creator of this principle said... “only faith gives us access to theological truths. The ways of God are not open to reason, for God has freely chosen to create a world and establish a way of salvation within it apart from any necessary laws that human logic or rationality can uncover.”

If anyone knows how to properly apply Occam's razor... it would be William of Occam.

 

Occam's razor is a lot like Godwin's law.  People mistake Godwin's law as "Whoever mentions hitler or nazis first loses an arguement."

When in reality it's "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1." 



Kasz216 said:
Akvod said:
It's not that there's a reason to disbelieve in god, but that there's no reason to believe in god.

Modern Western logic began with Descartes and skepticism. Skepticism has been at the root of our knowledge gaining process ever since then.

Think of the following things:

Scientific method.
Presumed innocent until PROVEN guilty.
Statistic (Null/Alternative hypothesis).
Occam's Razor

The consensus we've had over the past 200 years is that we believe in things, until they are proven. If they aren't we either don't believe in anything, or assume the most simple possibility.

Atheism isn't a BELIEF. It is a LACK of belief.

Actually, Occam's razor I think would go against atheism oddly enough. 

People generally confuse Occam's razor with another principle... i forget what it is.

Occam's Razor suggests that when picking among theories you pick the one with the least amount of new assumptions.

As far as history goes, atheism is relativly new as far as a belief goes.  Going back in time, it seems as if all groups had some form or religion or another.

"The spiritual" is really anything but new as far as a field of existence goes.

It's worth noting the creator.  William of Occam, who was himself.... a fransician friar.

The creator of this principle said... “only faith gives us access to theological truths. The ways of God are not open to reason, for God has freely chosen to create a world and establish a way of salvation within it apart from any necessary laws that human logic or rationality can uncover.”

If anyone knows how to properly apply Occam's razor... it would be William of Occam.

 

Occam's razor is a lot like Godwin's law.  People mistake Godwin's law as "Whoever mentions hitler or nazis first loses an arguement."

When in reality it's "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1." 

In this case it took 193 posts.



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