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It is the duty of the believer to prove what they believe in is true rather than the duty of the non-believer to prove otherwise.

i.e. if I say I can fly it is not your duty to prove that I can't but my duty to prove I can.

This also applies to the question of this thread.

I should not have to explain why I don't believe in a God but theists should have to explain why they believe in the God they believe in rather than the other 2869 Gods they could have chosen.



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snakenobi said:
setsunatenshi said:
Snakenobi, your arguments are filled what are called logical fallacies...

Just to point out a few, straw man arguments:

when you are putting all atheists into 1 bandwagon pretending all agree with what you're arguing against. In this case you're forgetting that apart from 'i don't believe in the existence of a god' there's nothing else you can unite all atheists in.
As an example, the Buddhists you so much seem to praise ARE atheists too.

Buddhist are pantheist.Buddhist's live a moral life

 

real atheist wouldn't behave morally as they don't believe in consequences

pantheist are atheist who are moral.

 

i am trying to tell pantheists who wrongly identify themselves as an atheist

Atheism means a disbelief in any gods, nothing more, nothing less. That's it. 
You sir, are a thick, self-righteous dickhead. I hope you get banned. 



I find this offensive (Snakebois original post). Anyhow religion is man-made in order to keep woman supressed and have children behave appropriately. It is also a method of control (look at the vatican and the amount of money they have). Religion used to be spiritual and have woman as reproductive figures. Slowly it became about men controlling (Greek mythology). Every religion has similar stories (resurrection, virgin births, etc). Christianity dominated due to the whites taking over the world. Every religion has a 'hell' where the temparature varies. For vikings hell was super cold, etc.
Snake you have single handily made the religious community look bad with your thread and post; good job.



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Just because I am an atheist doesn't mean I am going to go stab someone. There are consequences and its called the justice system as well as personal guilt. Atheism and immorality are two separate things. I'm guessing you are also one of those people that think communists are evil.



miz1q2w3e said:
snakenobi said:
miz1q2w3e said:
snakenobi said:

religion isn't about supernatural things happening,not all are atleast

anything supernatural happening will disturb the perfectness of this world

This world isn't "perfect"

yes it is

if you weren't so crazy about nitpicking and tried to understand you would know

"Perfection" means that even if you "nitpick" you shouldn't find flaws. Anything less IS "imperfection" by definition

 

can youi define anything being perfect in the universe then?

no you can't

cause the way it works and continues doing so is perfect

 

An example for you. A perfect square means all corners are EXACTLY 90 degrees and all sides are EXACTLY the same length. If during my "nitpicking" I happened to find that one side is 0.000001mm longer than the others, that means the sqaure IS NOT perfect....You could have at least argued that God didn't necessarily say it was perfect FOR HUMAN LIFE, would've at least had a shot then >_>

yes but do we see a perfect square in real life?





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RolStoppable said:

This is the dictionary definition of pantheism, so I don't trust what you are saying. Not in this post or any others.

pan·the·ism

    [pan-thee-iz-uhm]  Show IPA 
noun
1.
the doctrine that God is the transcendent reality of which 
the material universe and human beings are only 
manifestations: it involves a denial of God's personality and 
expresses a tendency to identify God and nature.
2.
any religious belief or philosophical doctrine that identifies 
God with the universe.

 

google a few other dictionary and they will add or substract some of that

i agree with what you are saying but it doesn't end at the meaning itself

its how its related to life and other things in the universe.

so atheisim at its meaning,i agree

but atheist mixing with values of continuous rebirths based on karma is not atheism



Jay520 said:
I am an athiest, no more, no less.

I DO have morals, I DO respect society & it's inhabitants, and I DO love & respect the world I live in. I also lack any feelings of supremacy over others. However you assumed that aforementioned is missing amongst ALL athiests is beyong me.

I have this current state of mind NOT because of fear of consequences, but because I know it's needed for a functional society & I have a little common sense. I repeat, I DO NOT have any fears of consequences for my actions, I do it because.... well, I'm a decent human being.

I also lack any belief in reincarnartion or karma or the such.

Oh yeah, I'm an athiest.

That is all...

EDIT: Oh yeah, I'm neither ignorant nor do I hate religions. Your question implies a rather narrow-minded outlook on athiests though.


You mind exposing the flaws in my way of thinking, Snakenobi? If not, then you acknoledge that I'm a living contradiction of your argument & that you were wrong during the entire thread.

Ahh shucks, I was hoping he'd reply to my post. Oh well..



Most, and by most I mean more than 90%, of the Muslims I know don't read their Quran, pray or do anything their religion tells them to do. You must be hating on those retards who are so damn stupid to believe in something they don't read or understand. I have five christian friends, five of them who have NEVER read the whole bible. Seriously people read your damn books first.

Why don't I believe? The Abrahamic God never listens and apparently he hates homosexuals.



This entire thread seems to be hinging on Snakobi having a skewed understanding of a number of words compared to everyone else.

A number of times a dictionary reference has been brought forth, but I don't think Snakobi is grasping that these words are terms for specific ideas...he seems to be using the word "atheist" in the same way as he uses "Christian" or "Buddhist", but atheism is just a word, there is no deeper meaning.

Atheist - A person who does not believe in a supreme being..... there is nothing more to it, this therefore means that Buddhists are also atheists.
And if i have been following Snakobi's posts correctly, he could also be described as atheist... I believe he mentioned he is pantheist, which (thank you RolStoppable) is the belief that God and nature are one and the same, thus God is the universe, and as such there is no supreme being.
Therefore a pantheistic belief system is also an atheistic belief system. (though that hinges on whether the universe actually being God can still constitute as 'no supreme being'... I guess that may depend on the specific pantheistic religion being followed)

The following are words that should not be mixed up with the religious beliefs themselves, they are just to separate between various different forms of religious belief, or lack thereof.

Theism - belief in a supreme being.
Can also be seperated into monotheism (belief in 1 God, e.g. Christianity, Islam) and polytheism (belief in multiple Gods, e.g. Hinduism)
Deism - belief in a God that created the universe but then no longer interfered with it.
Pantheism - belief that the universe is God. (I think Taoism would be included here)
Atheism - belief that there is no supreme being.

And arguably a totally seperate thing entirely is Agnosticism. It is generally used to describe someone who neither believes nor disbelieves in a deity, but that is why it is a seperate issue, it is not about belief but about knowledge. Personally I think I would describe myself as an agnostic-atheist, that being someone who does not believe in a God, but I also do not deny that there could be a God.