That is my opinion, for me, it makes no sense to play a shooter, where the first guy that shoots always gets the kill. That happens, when you have low health, and one bullets really hurts you, so the skilled player runs around intelligently, plays the objective, starts getting shot by a camper hiding in the bushes of an enormous map, tell me, how does the best player kill the camper???

And don´t tell me to flank him, because you know better then me, that if the camper is playing the defensive side, and is hiding where he spawns, there is no way to flank, because he has 5 players around him, you can do it occasionally, but most of the times, you will get owned by someone regardless of who.

I was not talking about MW3, I haven´t played the game, but MW2, how many bullets it takes to kill with a UMP?? How many bursts with the Famas. I think Black ops got it right, but the hit detection was completely screwed (oh and by the way there are a lot of complaints about MW/COD these days).

There is a reason why U2 big players, quit the game after the patch that lowered the health of the player, because that "destroyed" the game for the skilled players.

Low health promotes Campers
Higher health promotes skill (where do your shots actually hit)

And don´t tell me to play Hardcore on any game, you know what players never play hardcore.  I am not even the best ever, but I just don´t like, games/devs that suposedly promote objective play, instead of K/D, but then have huge maps with Snipers under the floor, and campers beind one of the 200 rocks in the map, and 2 bullets and you are dead. For me that is promoting Kills over objective.

Hilarious how similar that is to me.

And no, 1 month is not a lot of time. What you want say is that there might be a patch day one, because there is very litle time they have before BF3 goes gold.

downloading at a rate of 250KB per second, not really taking my full speed of 5 MBps but handling better than steam, tho steam have more people.

BF3 was severely hit by Selnor's curse. No game can resist that most evil spell.

Has anybody seen the Origin in-game overlay?

It's eerily similar to Steam.

To all the guys who complained this game promotes camping: No it doesn't, it promotes tactical gameplay. I've been doing pretty well in both the PC version and the PS3 version by moving, and actually thinking where I'm moving. I get low fps on PC and I'm a horrible at shooters on consoles so by no means do I have it that easy... But I'm definitely not a camper and I've been doing well enough (KDR has been above 1 in every round I think, and I've also managed to destroy quite a few objectives).

Anyway, to get slightly back on the camping issue, I'd say there's lots of stuff that requires skills other than just killing. Killing is only one thing that requires skill. If you want shooters that focus on killing, you should go play Quake or Unreal Tournament or something like that instead of trying teamplay-based shooters.

That is funny, because there are people online, that think that you need skill to nube tube. I just said skill, so IDK who said that we want shooting skill shooters.

It is funny, people that get bothered by campers, are not the ones that want kills, campers want kills.

I think you are not understanding the "problem", people that play BF, and devs themselves like to say that it is all about objective, thing is, there is no other game were you see so much Snipers just sitting back and doing nothing.

My first game on the Beta was unreal, we were playing offense and no one was pushing the objective, I went 8-18 (some of it was because I was still getting a feel for it), and destroyed all the objectives (I had to if I wanted to win), I was the best player, at least the one with more points.

I just don´t like this attitude that is running the interwebz, that MW/COD is a noob game, and BF is a hardcore/skill kind of game.

Unfortunately this debate is pointless, because one of the reasons why these games are Fed up is because of the community that plays them

And my point is not to bash this beta, my point is that I am disappointed on it, what is funny, is the BF devs that come in here denying the evidence, saying that there are a lot more people running strategically then campers, and saying that one month is a lot of time and that this is a beta so I must not express my opinion about the quality of what is being given to me.

I am out I don´t want people to think I am a hater because I ain´t, I just hope this game has the quality, I want a first person shooter this year, but BF3 needs to deliver.

The matches already last long enough, most of us don't feel like crawing around the map to get kills and playing that way just ruins the game.  Oh look i can crawl along in a bush and kill people as they walk by and nobody knows where i killed them from.  And in the first area so many people are just playing sniper it destroys the game. 

The respawning on teammates is also screwed, i'll clear an area then some guy slips by then you have 4-6 guys now right behind you and the other 6 in front.  The game is as random and camp crazy as no other game.

This beta is doing nothing to help them sell the game.  If anyone thought ghost campers were bad in blops they haven't seen anything yet.

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Do you play Bfbc2 ? Inever camp I mostly use engeneer I mostly use the UMP 45. I NEVER played COD. I am not a huge FPS fan I played a handful of FPS in Multiplayer the past decade barely worth mentioning.

This "Camper" problem didnt existed to me . I hear this term only on the Internet.

I will tell you how to literally TRASH campers of any kind in battlefield. Guys who sit the whole time in one spot are the main reason why I have 500 Dogtags in 3 months playing Bad Company 2.

Ok lets start without help from your squad if you play rambo style: You need to have a good knowledge of the map ofcourse also some experience how the players behave. Thats all part of the first hours learning process. After you aquired this knowledge its easy as pie to determin where other players are after you saw the the kill cam and the weapon you have been killed. If you get killed you can see from which direction the shot came. The weapon tells you how far he was away. Shotgun means not too far. If a Rifle was used you can see if he was far or near with the speed your energy was drained. Sniper can be everywhere. The Killcam shows background in a lot of cases you see minor details that specify even further were he was. Like destruction of bushes trees walls certain builduings certain views you can see only from certain places.

Those informations combined with the direction and the distance the shoot came from helps a lot to know the position. Even when you saw nothing you can often guess which places he was.

If you are not sure make a sweep of the area you think he might be. Thats ofcourse easier in conquest. After a while you can easily figure out how to approach enemies from behind. It all depends on the situation ofcourse. Take Tanks if possible and destroy the best hidding places before you even clash with the first enemy. I automatically mow down forests and houses with the tank while when its possible. Also MARK the campers once orange they are practically dead.


Call Airstrikes if you suspect there might camp someone they usually start running once they hear the sound of the bombs. When they leave their cover its easy to kill them. Blast holes in walls destroy houses with tanks helicopters C4 (Jets).

If you have a squad people usually SAY there is a camper behind this tree.

Chanbe the map that makes it easier to identify the places through the view you get. Listen to footsteps or shouts like granade good job etc that makes it super easy to know if people are around. Look at your team mates and where the arrows of them disappear that means there is someone.

I did not play BF 3 yet since I am still at 56%.

I can say you one thing in Bad Company 2 its your own fault if campers kill you. Everybody is mostly moving in Bad Company 2 because you SUCK while standing still. You get no objective points and almost no kills only to get knifed down by someone. Rush is the better mode for campers because everyone is cramped in one place. But through marking and vehicles its no big task.

I know that surprise kills frpm campers are usually annoying but its easy to counter it on any map in BC2.

From 5 times someone kills me its 1 time a camping guy who dies usually a few seconds later. Often by knife.

I heard this map is very Cod like and rush is better for campers but once the full game releases soon everybody learns to stay on the move and avoid siting to long in one space. Soon everybody knows the places were the snipers/campers are.

I know before starting a game were the camper are going to hide. I sometimes trash those campers by the shots I fire unconciously while driving a tank.

Sure sometimes you do have to suffer But its often your own or your teams fault if they succeed with that tactic. Sometimes you have to sacrifice your KD to push your team to win.

I say it here. Camping is a LEGITIMATE tactic in BF. There is nothing wrong with it. I do everything to win the game. Yes I base rape too and spawn kill in conquest. You never know how good your enemy is or who is going to join the other team. If you give them just one minute time to breath they turn the game around and you are beeing spawn killed.

Also only moving cleverly over the map does not help always you should spawn with your squad most of the time a camper or enemy just kills one and the other one kills the camper and you can spawn seconds later in the same place.

Bf3 is a team game and camping is a broken tactic that works only in maps with undestructible walls and 12 Rambos running like headless chicken over the map doing everything alone. There are so many ways to counter any attack. I personally have no problem with campers but with Kamikaze C4 Snipers thats really annoying although a solvable problem.

Sometimes you are unlucky and just cant do anything but thats life you dont have always the power to overcome every obstacle.


"where the first guy that shoots always gets the kill."

I understand where you are coming from but after my experience this is not the case (not even in HC mode). Actually it has to do a lot with skill. People often forget recoil and cant kill you from a mid range distance repeated bursts are sure kills if. If your opponent shot you first by pressing R1 constantly you often have time to turn into the direction he shot you and kill him if you run out of ammo just switch to the handgun dont bother reloading your weapon.

Jump around if its a close encounter try to knife him down. You have to be fast and its by far not the first guy who shoots especially if you use shotgun you will be the winner in 8 out of 10 accidental run ins with one player of the other team.

It is skill that decides everything if not my KD and speed I aquire pounts in Bad Company would have slowed down but I improve in every point with more experience my stats are getting better every week.

Skill is what counts in BF. A little luck and your squad/team are also important. But skill is the determining factor for pretty much every situation. Different maps demand different skills ofcourse.

I was talking about Bc2 but I played the beta of BC2 and I didnt bother buying the game until BF3 was announced to get used to the Dualsticks. And BC2 turned out to be totally different and way better then expected. I dont know how the beta is yet but I am sure the final game is going to be good.

PS: BC2 graphics improved significantly between beta and the final game.

I didn't like the map that they plugged with it on 360, I think caspian border or such would have been a better choice, this seems to be an attempt at COD combat. Although I like what I see so far and will not cancel my preorder, I hope that they release more maps later on into the beta for us mere peasants to enjoy.

Agree 100% with this.

People who complain about BF most likely have not been playing BF long. Sure, it happens, but once you learn BF specialties and map layout... its very rare and additionally, campers go away. Campers don't last long in BF as you can't make a game out of it. You'll die and won't get a good score at all.

You need a squad who sticks with each other and spawns on each other. You need to know the land and know where the normal spots are. You need to use destruction in your favor. (granted this only from BC2 and now BF3).

This game won't be any different. BF3 has a lot of hype and people are new to it. Many who are used to run and gun Rambo / camping in COD. In a week or so this will die down as it becomes useless and people realize that isn't how you play in BF to be successful.