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Forums - Sales Discussion - June NPD - X360 507k, 3DS 143k, Wii 273k, PS3 276k~ DS 386k

kopstudent89 on 15 July 2011

VGFail *facepalm*... And wooooooooooooow look at those DS sales!! That's a monster!



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kitler53 on 15 July 2011
Hyruken said:
nightsurge said:
Seece said:
kitler53 said:
Hyruken said:
The whole laptop numbers thing seems wrong in my opinion. That would mean almost as many people bought those laptops as people who bought 3ds for the month.
On top of that the same deal was on here in the UK and didn't see a bump.

Free consoles are given out all the time. You can get them with tvs, with subscriptions to things like gas, insurance etc, can get them with phone contracts and so on. I doubt very much 100k-200k were because of that deal.

i'm not very confident in this number but i google it and there is a number floating out there that dell sells ~700,000 computers a year just in the US.  that means an monthly average of 58,333.  The deal was valid for HP computers too.  i dunno, it is circumstantial evidence but the size of the bump seems to be on the same order of computers sold. 

But you also need to be a student and have valid ID, and the offer was for $700 laptops plus.

Which explains why it was only a ~100k bump from this promotion for Dell/HP/others and not a million unit bump.

You'd be very surprised at how many students are buying college laptops for the next school year around now, and quite often for much more than $700. This number doesn't surprise me at all, and could even have been much higher. Throw in this deal and a $700 purchase gets you $1000 worth of product so it's a win win!

Also, to the UK portion, how do you know there was no bump? Did the UK's version of NPD release figures already to show no bump, or are you just going off of VGChartz or other tracking services?

I mean bump as in the VGC UK numbers. The deal is also on in Canada and France and there has been no increase on VGC for those places either.

And of course there are a lot of students. I don't know how it is in the US but here you start in September. So i doubt these people would be buying laptops in their droves 4 months before they will actually use them at uni. Plus they would not even have had their loans yet.

Plus if you actually look at the deal in detail there are quite a few hurdles you must jump before you can get the free 360. You have to have a valid student ID  and .edu email add from the ages of 16 to 19, at bare minimum buy a $699 laptop and purchase windows 7. The deal runs from 22nd of may until september 3rd. So 4 months almost. If the student stuff is the reason for the boost then it will continue to happen in the coming months too right? Especially closer to term time when people will be buying their new gear?

if vgc didn't see the bump in the US then why would we expect them to see it anywhere else.

also, i'm not sure how "hard" those hurdles really are.  apple offers a student discount as well.  when i bought my mac and was out of college for 5 years already they still took my student ID...



kitler53 on 15 July 2011
Reasonable said:
So if I read this right the site's saying 507 K by NPD however this includes sales not estimated by the site as per this comment in the analysis from The Source:

"Michael Pachter did tell me in email however that much of the X360 year over year rise came from a) free X360s given away with Windows 7, and b) X360s sold directly to distributors (some of these units apparently ended up in Brazil) - and Microsoft convinced NPD to count both. Pachter didn't have figures on how many units those promotions added, but estimates that X360 would have dropped slightly year over year (-5% to -10%) without those inclusions."

Where does this put the site's initial estimates? Okay as they didn't see those sales through their polling methods or still under tracking 360?

I thought freebies, etc. went on for all consoles fairly regularly but The Source seems to implying this was a much bigger impact than usual.

Even if this somewhat downplays the 507 K it seems like the 360 still did the best overall even if you discount the noted units from the total. -5% at retail compared to the others is pretty good for the region.

lol, theSource's quote makes the whole thing sound soo much shadier then it actually is.

even without the student thing vgc still undertracked the 360 and was off on just about everything else as well.  and in all honestly, those free 360's should be counted.  consumers spent money and ended up taking a 360 into their household.  if that doesn't count as a sale then what does??  i can "understand" how vgc might not have the data to see this but at the same time not having that kind of dramatically, significant data only serves to highlight why vgc's tracking method keeps failing to be within their supposed 10% margin.



Rockyb on 15 July 2011

so how overtracked is the wii in emeea if it was this overtracked in the us



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ElGranCabeza on 15 July 2011
ElGranCabeza said:
red_dragon said:
ElGranCabeza said:
red_dragon said:
Carl2291 said:
http://twitter.com/#!/michaelpachter

Good point by @NicolasVerge, the 507k Xbox figure included all of the "free" 360s given away under the Windows 7 PC promotion.

So yeah. Those free 360's are in the 507k figure, it's just nobody knows how many

Can't be a lot based on that it was only for Best Buy and they did it for certain models of HP and Dell ($700).


It wasn't just Best Buy, but it was just for certain models, yes. I'm thinking it was a shitload, if I was gonna get a new computer I would get one where I could get a free second 360.


The only retail stores to do the deal was Micrsoft store and Best Buy. THe only other way to do it was on HP.com and Dell.com

The offer is available to online shoppers who buy a PC from Dell.com, HP.com, or Microsoft's online store. Those who want to head to a retail outlet can find the deal at Best Buy or Microsoft's stores.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13506_3-20064263-17.html


Thanks for proving my point. It's not just Best Buy.

Just wanna add this as well:

 

http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.html?ie=UTF8&docId=1000676291



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toastboy44562 on 15 July 2011

go 360!



Pavolink on 15 July 2011
Nintendogamer said:
I guess wii is over by about 150K, 360 under about 20K and PS3 about right, maybe over but not by much.

Woa! Spot-on!

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Reasonable on 15 July 2011
kitler53 said:
Reasonable said:
So if I read this right the site's saying 507 K by NPD however this includes sales not estimated by the site as per this comment in the analysis from The Source:

"Michael Pachter did tell me in email however that much of the X360 year over year rise came from a) free X360s given away with Windows 7, and b) X360s sold directly to distributors (some of these units apparently ended up in Brazil) - and Microsoft convinced NPD to count both. Pachter didn't have figures on how many units those promotions added, but estimates that X360 would have dropped slightly year over year (-5% to -10%) without those inclusions."

Where does this put the site's initial estimates? Okay as they didn't see those sales through their polling methods or still under tracking 360?

I thought freebies, etc. went on for all consoles fairly regularly but The Source seems to implying this was a much bigger impact than usual.

Even if this somewhat downplays the 507 K it seems like the 360 still did the best overall even if you discount the noted units from the total. -5% at retail compared to the others is pretty good for the region.

lol, theSource's quote makes the whole thing sound soo much shadier then it actually is.

even without the student thing vgc still undertracked the 360 and was off on just about everything else as well.  and in all honestly, those free 360's should be counted.  consumers spent money and ended up taking a 360 into their household.  if that doesn't count as a sale then what does??  i can "understand" how vgc might not have the data to see this but at the same time not having that kind of dramatically, significant data only serves to highlight why vgc's tracking method keeps failing to be within their supposed 10% margin.

Yeah it does come across pretty dramatic doesn't it?  Promotions, etc. are a common affair and giving away a freebie a neat way to push units with something else - pretty sure Sony have pushed PS3s for free with HD TVs a few times for example.

Going to be interesting to see what adjustments are made and how the site decides to deal with the additional units - recognize the sale or chose to disregard it.



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kitler53 on 15 July 2011
Reasonable said:
kitler53 said:
Reasonable said:
So if I read this right the site's saying 507 K by NPD however this includes sales not estimated by the site as per this comment in the analysis from The Source:

"Michael Pachter did tell me in email however that much of the X360 year over year rise came from a) free X360s given away with Windows 7, and b) X360s sold directly to distributors (some of these units apparently ended up in Brazil) - and Microsoft convinced NPD to count both. Pachter didn't have figures on how many units those promotions added, but estimates that X360 would have dropped slightly year over year (-5% to -10%) without those inclusions."

Where does this put the site's initial estimates? Okay as they didn't see those sales through their polling methods or still under tracking 360?

I thought freebies, etc. went on for all consoles fairly regularly but The Source seems to implying this was a much bigger impact than usual.

Even if this somewhat downplays the 507 K it seems like the 360 still did the best overall even if you discount the noted units from the total. -5% at retail compared to the others is pretty good for the region.

lol, theSource's quote makes the whole thing sound soo much shadier then it actually is.

even without the student thing vgc still undertracked the 360 and was off on just about everything else as well.  and in all honestly, those free 360's should be counted.  consumers spent money and ended up taking a 360 into their household.  if that doesn't count as a sale then what does??  i can "understand" how vgc might not have the data to see this but at the same time not having that kind of dramatically, significant data only serves to highlight why vgc's tracking method keeps failing to be within their supposed 10% margin.

Yeah it does come across pretty dramatic doesn't it?  Promotions, etc. are a common affair and giving away a freebie a neat way to push units with something else - pretty sure Sony have pushed PS3s for free with HD TVs a few times for example.

Going to be interesting to see what adjustments are made and how the site decides to deal with the additional units - recognize the sale or chose to disregard it.

not really, ioi put his foot down on the issue at least a year ago.  he does not make adjustments due to NPD.  the most likely outcome is we continue to push out under/over tracked numbers until after the offical shipment numbers are released at which time we will have the "proper" evidence to base adjustments on that will most likely be spaced out over the last 1 to 2 years... 



Zlejedi on 15 July 2011
kitler53 said:
Reasonable said:
kitler53 said:
Reasonable said:
So if I read this right the site's saying 507 K by NPD however this includes sales not estimated by the site as per this comment in the analysis from The Source:

"Michael Pachter did tell me in email however that much of the X360 year over year rise came from a) free X360s given away with Windows 7, and b) X360s sold directly to distributors (some of these units apparently ended up in Brazil) - and Microsoft convinced NPD to count both. Pachter didn't have figures on how many units those promotions added, but estimates that X360 would have dropped slightly year over year (-5% to -10%) without those inclusions."

Where does this put the site's initial estimates? Okay as they didn't see those sales through their polling methods or still under tracking 360?

I thought freebies, etc. went on for all consoles fairly regularly but The Source seems to implying this was a much bigger impact than usual.

Even if this somewhat downplays the 507 K it seems like the 360 still did the best overall even if you discount the noted units from the total. -5% at retail compared to the others is pretty good for the region.

lol, theSource's quote makes the whole thing sound soo much shadier then it actually is.

even without the student thing vgc still undertracked the 360 and was off on just about everything else as well.  and in all honestly, those free 360's should be counted.  consumers spent money and ended up taking a 360 into their household.  if that doesn't count as a sale then what does??  i can "understand" how vgc might not have the data to see this but at the same time not having that kind of dramatically, significant data only serves to highlight why vgc's tracking method keeps failing to be within their supposed 10% margin.

Yeah it does come across pretty dramatic doesn't it?  Promotions, etc. are a common affair and giving away a freebie a neat way to push units with something else - pretty sure Sony have pushed PS3s for free with HD TVs a few times for example.

Going to be interesting to see what adjustments are made and how the site decides to deal with the additional units - recognize the sale or chose to disregard it.

not really, ioi put his foot down on the issue at least a year ago.  he does not make adjustments due to NPD.  the most likely outcome is we continue to push out under/over tracked numbers until after the offical shipment numbers are released at which time we will have the "proper" evidence to base adjustments on that will most likely be spaced out over the last 1 to 2 years... 


Sure and the timing of previous big adjustments is merely a coincidence ;)



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