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Forums - Sales Discussion - June NPD - X360 507k, 3DS 143k, Wii 273k, PS3 276k~ DS 386k

kitler53 said:
Reasonable said:
So if I read this right the site's saying 507 K by NPD however this includes sales not estimated by the site as per this comment in the analysis from The Source:

"Michael Pachter did tell me in email however that much of the X360 year over year rise came from a) free X360s given away with Windows 7, and b) X360s sold directly to distributors (some of these units apparently ended up in Brazil) - and Microsoft convinced NPD to count both. Pachter didn't have figures on how many units those promotions added, but estimates that X360 would have dropped slightly year over year (-5% to -10%) without those inclusions."

Where does this put the site's initial estimates? Okay as they didn't see those sales through their polling methods or still under tracking 360?

I thought freebies, etc. went on for all consoles fairly regularly but The Source seems to implying this was a much bigger impact than usual.

Even if this somewhat downplays the 507 K it seems like the 360 still did the best overall even if you discount the noted units from the total. -5% at retail compared to the others is pretty good for the region.

lol, theSource's quote makes the whole thing sound soo much shadier then it actually is.

even without the student thing vgc still undertracked the 360 and was off on just about everything else as well.  and in all honestly, those free 360's should be counted.  consumers spent money and ended up taking a 360 into their household.  if that doesn't count as a sale then what does??  i can "understand" how vgc might not have the data to see this but at the same time not having that kind of dramatically, significant data only serves to highlight why vgc's tracking method keeps failing to be within their supposed 10% margin.

Yeah it does come across pretty dramatic doesn't it?  Promotions, etc. are a common affair and giving away a freebie a neat way to push units with something else - pretty sure Sony have pushed PS3s for free with HD TVs a few times for example.

Going to be interesting to see what adjustments are made and how the site decides to deal with the additional units - recognize the sale or chose to disregard it.



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Reasonable said:
kitler53 said:
Reasonable said:
So if I read this right the site's saying 507 K by NPD however this includes sales not estimated by the site as per this comment in the analysis from The Source:

"Michael Pachter did tell me in email however that much of the X360 year over year rise came from a) free X360s given away with Windows 7, and b) X360s sold directly to distributors (some of these units apparently ended up in Brazil) - and Microsoft convinced NPD to count both. Pachter didn't have figures on how many units those promotions added, but estimates that X360 would have dropped slightly year over year (-5% to -10%) without those inclusions."

Where does this put the site's initial estimates? Okay as they didn't see those sales through their polling methods or still under tracking 360?

I thought freebies, etc. went on for all consoles fairly regularly but The Source seems to implying this was a much bigger impact than usual.

Even if this somewhat downplays the 507 K it seems like the 360 still did the best overall even if you discount the noted units from the total. -5% at retail compared to the others is pretty good for the region.

lol, theSource's quote makes the whole thing sound soo much shadier then it actually is.

even without the student thing vgc still undertracked the 360 and was off on just about everything else as well.  and in all honestly, those free 360's should be counted.  consumers spent money and ended up taking a 360 into their household.  if that doesn't count as a sale then what does??  i can "understand" how vgc might not have the data to see this but at the same time not having that kind of dramatically, significant data only serves to highlight why vgc's tracking method keeps failing to be within their supposed 10% margin.

Yeah it does come across pretty dramatic doesn't it?  Promotions, etc. are a common affair and giving away a freebie a neat way to push units with something else - pretty sure Sony have pushed PS3s for free with HD TVs a few times for example.

Going to be interesting to see what adjustments are made and how the site decides to deal with the additional units - recognize the sale or chose to disregard it.

not really, ioi put his foot down on the issue at least a year ago.  he does not make adjustments due to NPD.  the most likely outcome is we continue to push out under/over tracked numbers until after the offical shipment numbers are released at which time we will have the "proper" evidence to base adjustments on that will most likely be spaced out over the last 1 to 2 years... 



kitler53 said:
Reasonable said:
kitler53 said:
Reasonable said:
So if I read this right the site's saying 507 K by NPD however this includes sales not estimated by the site as per this comment in the analysis from The Source:

"Michael Pachter did tell me in email however that much of the X360 year over year rise came from a) free X360s given away with Windows 7, and b) X360s sold directly to distributors (some of these units apparently ended up in Brazil) - and Microsoft convinced NPD to count both. Pachter didn't have figures on how many units those promotions added, but estimates that X360 would have dropped slightly year over year (-5% to -10%) without those inclusions."

Where does this put the site's initial estimates? Okay as they didn't see those sales through their polling methods or still under tracking 360?

I thought freebies, etc. went on for all consoles fairly regularly but The Source seems to implying this was a much bigger impact than usual.

Even if this somewhat downplays the 507 K it seems like the 360 still did the best overall even if you discount the noted units from the total. -5% at retail compared to the others is pretty good for the region.

lol, theSource's quote makes the whole thing sound soo much shadier then it actually is.

even without the student thing vgc still undertracked the 360 and was off on just about everything else as well.  and in all honestly, those free 360's should be counted.  consumers spent money and ended up taking a 360 into their household.  if that doesn't count as a sale then what does??  i can "understand" how vgc might not have the data to see this but at the same time not having that kind of dramatically, significant data only serves to highlight why vgc's tracking method keeps failing to be within their supposed 10% margin.

Yeah it does come across pretty dramatic doesn't it?  Promotions, etc. are a common affair and giving away a freebie a neat way to push units with something else - pretty sure Sony have pushed PS3s for free with HD TVs a few times for example.

Going to be interesting to see what adjustments are made and how the site decides to deal with the additional units - recognize the sale or chose to disregard it.

not really, ioi put his foot down on the issue at least a year ago.  he does not make adjustments due to NPD.  the most likely outcome is we continue to push out under/over tracked numbers until after the offical shipment numbers are released at which time we will have the "proper" evidence to base adjustments on that will most likely be spaced out over the last 1 to 2 years... 


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Zlejedi said:
Sure and the timing of previous big adjustments is merely a coincidence ;)

The previous big adjustments happened after Nintendo released their own official number for all consoles ... nothing to do with NPD.

The official shipment report is coming in 1-2 weeks... so I doubt VGC will ajust anything before that.



   2010                2011 
Jan 333K    381K + 14%
Feb 422K   535K + 27%
Mar 338K  433K + 28%
Apr 185K   297K + 61%
May 195K  270K + 38%
Jun 452K    507K + 12%



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Since the whole purpose is to know how many units are in customers hands all units need to be tracked. After truly to MS sold units are what are shipped and those are not reported by VGC other than in news reports and forum threads. I am willing to wait for adjustments to occur when shipment numbers are reported and sales numbers are adjusted to reflect well if X shipped Y units through Z date we estimate W units on store shelves so Q units are in customers hands.



Its libraries that sell systems not a single game.

What astonishes me more than anything is how this site continually time and time again over tracks Wii. Its unbelievable really to be that consistantly overtracking one particular console.

Not to mention even if 100k of the 360 sales were from laptops that STILL means Vgchartz was off by 100k units that they can track. Honestly with the way hardwares gone and pre-order data has gone vgchartz has not been doing to well lately.



BenVTrigger said:
What astonishes me more than anything is how this site continually time and time again over tracks Wii. Its unbelievable really to be that consistantly overtracking one particular console.

Not to mention even if 100k of the 360 sales were from laptops that STILL means Vgchartz was off by 100k units that they can track. Honestly with the way hardwares gone and pre-order data has gone vgchartz has not been doing to well lately.

The likes of N4G and other sites are made to put Rumor in front of anything VGChartz related.



yeah they adjusted...up 18k?wat?



So how much up is the 360 overall worldwide this year? NPD looks to be around 423k, as it has been up every single month, but is that the case worldwide as well? Is this still looking realistic for this to be the 360's peak year?