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z101 on 15 January 2011

The Wii has many great the 2D/3D Jump&Runs and a few great Shooters.

The PS360 has many great Shooters and a few good 2D-Jump&Runs (and 1 or 2 decent 3D Jump&Runs).



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Lucas-Rio on 15 January 2011
Degausser said:

 I wish there were more platformers out there tbh, and not just 2D ones >_>. SMG1 and 2 are absolutely amazing but they're pretty much the only 3D platformers out there nowadays, aside from ratchet and Clank who while fun have sort of burnt out on me. I wish they'd bring back GOOD Crash, Spyro, Jak and Daxter, 3D Donkey games etc.

 I don't mind the 2D stuff but I'm starting to prefer the indie / downloadalbe side of that like Braid and VVVVVV. Dunno why, I think I just have trouble paying full price for a 2D platformer that essentially just plays like a SNES game, but will never live up to the crazy pedestal I put those games on now with my nostalgia tinted glasses.

Sonic 4 really didn't do anything for me either... I keep trying to like it but it just feels so, lifeless.


I completely disagree witht that.

If you want the 2D platform to be alive, it needs to be full price game, with budget and ambition, and selling at retail. If you don't do that, it will be indies low budget game to download and I can tell you that nobody care about that.



Juma009 on 15 January 2011

Platforming is to the Wii what FPS is to thw HD consoles



jarrod on 15 January 2011
Doobie_wop said:
jarrod said:
Doobie_wop said:

Most of the HD plat-forming base are on their online networks. Limbo, Joe Danger, S'plosionman, P.B. Winterbottom, Blade Kitten, Trine, Braid, Raskulls, Shadow Complex, Super Meat Boy (probably the best of it's genre), Quest for Booty and heaps more are available to download between the two platforms. They may not get the same sales compared to the  mega games like the five or so Mario games that makes up the Wii's number, but the plat-forming genre is alive and well online and the releases have been pretty consistent and frequent. 

Also, as someone else mentioned earlier, comparing the best selling genre from one platform to another can only end badly when people start coming in with FPS console comparisons, RPG console comparisons, Hack 'n' Slash console comparisons and so on.

Wii also has FAR more platformers on Virtual Console / WiiWare than they do retail.  Super Mario Bros. on VC has likely outsold every XBLA or PSN platformer by itself.

I'm guessing that Super Mario Bros. has probably been emulated  on Android phones more often than the total PSN/XBLA platforming sales combined, it doesn't take away from my point that the HD on line services have been very consistent with quality and frequent platfromers. The OP said that the genre was dead on the HD consoles, I argued that it's alive and well, but it's limited to the online services. Hell, a few of the Game of the Year attendees from 2010 were Joe Danger, P.B. Winterbottom and Limbo (sources mainly include Weekend Confirmed, Giant Bomb and Joystiq). 

Just because one thing does better than another, it doesn't make the other thing a failure.

Alive? I'd definitely agree.  Well?  I'm more conflicted on that one.

I'd say the entire genre being restricted to almost only downloadables on the HD twins isn't the picture of genre health I'd like.  I love XBLA/indies, but it really is a second class market (and more like third world for poor Indies)... it's basically saying the genre isn't worth "full" value/release on HD, it's budgetware.

People have made the comparison to Wii RPGs or FPS in this thread, but at least Wii can still support those genres with full priced, full scale retail releases.  I haven't really seen that on the HD twins from a 3rd party since Sonic Unleashed two years ago...



*Sound Of Rain on 15 January 2011
pearljammer said:
*Sound Of Rain said:
pearljammer said:
*Sound Of Rain said:

Hopefully this doesn't continue...

The 360 is mainly a Shooter system and I am not a big Shooter fan so I didn't get a 360.(Kinect is helping variety though)

I didn't buy D.K.C.R because I am tired of plat-formers at the moment...I might picked it up eventually but as of now no thanks LOL.  

People are still holding to this stereotype? Yikes.

Yes, I have personally have always seen the 360 as a Shooter system...there isn't a problem with that its just not for me.(By the way I am talking exclusives wise) 

It may not be for you, and that's fine,  but it's patently false to call it a 'Shooter System' by any reasonable standard. Many of its games, including exclusives, come from a plethora of genres. Just so we're clear, are you refering to first-person shooters?

Secondly, why would you limit your view of an entire system to its exclusives?

Again, nothing is wrong with Shooters, I just don't prefer them. Yes, I am talking about 1st person Shooters.

I base it off of exclusives because thats one sets the systems apart from one another...if all systems had the same games...whats the point of 3 different systems then? Its just an opinion that 360 is crowded with Shooters and I recognize that it has other games too but its the system to buy if you are into Shooters.



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Doobie_wop on 15 January 2011
jarrod said:
Doobie_wop said:
jarrod said:
Doobie_wop said:

Most of the HD plat-forming base are on their online networks. Limbo, Joe Danger, S'plosionman, P.B. Winterbottom, Blade Kitten, Trine, Braid, Raskulls, Shadow Complex, Super Meat Boy (probably the best of it's genre), Quest for Booty and heaps more are available to download between the two platforms. They may not get the same sales compared to the  mega games like the five or so Mario games that makes up the Wii's number, but the plat-forming genre is alive and well online and the releases have been pretty consistent and frequent. 

Also, as someone else mentioned earlier, comparing the best selling genre from one platform to another can only end badly when people start coming in with FPS console comparisons, RPG console comparisons, Hack 'n' Slash console comparisons and so on.

Wii also has FAR more platformers on Virtual Console / WiiWare than they do retail.  Super Mario Bros. on VC has likely outsold every XBLA or PSN platformer by itself.

I'm guessing that Super Mario Bros. has probably been emulated  on Android phones more often than the total PSN/XBLA platforming sales combined, it doesn't take away from my point that the HD on line services have been very consistent with quality and frequent platfromers. The OP said that the genre was dead on the HD consoles, I argued that it's alive and well, but it's limited to the online services. Hell, a few of the Game of the Year attendees from 2010 were Joe Danger, P.B. Winterbottom and Limbo (sources mainly include Weekend Confirmed, Giant Bomb and Joystiq). 

Just because one thing does better than another, it doesn't make the other thing a failure.

Alive? I'd definitely agree.  Well?  I'm more conflicted on that one.

I'd say the entire genre being restricted to almost only downloadables on the HD twins isn't the picture of genre health I'd like.  I love XBLA/indies, but it really is a second class market (and more like third world for poor Indies)... it's basically saying the genre isn't worth "full" value/release on HD, it's budgetware.

People have made the comparison to Wii RPGs or FPS in this thread, but at least Wii can still support those genres with full priced, full scale retail releases.  I haven't really seen that on the HD twins from a 3rd party since Sonic Unleashed two years ago...

I guess, but I don't think many people who frequent PSN or XBLA actually think about online releases as second class any more, especially when you consider the releases last year. Scott Pilgrim vs The World, Lara Croft & the Guardian of Light, Joe Danger and Limbo got far more attention and coverage than many of the 'supposed' larger retail titles last year. Calling it second class is a bit harsh and budgetware isn't exactly the right term to use when we have full retail titles that are offer less content and effort than a $15 PSN game.

The genre has just found a new and profitable market and it's gone from the retail shovel ware platformers that plagued the PS2 to online releases. The Wii does it's own thing and has made great strides to making the platformer market grow, but it's still segmented to Nintendo or already large franchises. Lost in the Shadow, Muramasa: The Demon Blade, A Boy and his Blob, Ivy the Kiwi and the recently released Lost in Shadows are all fantastic games that could have done so much better on a competent online service and it's because not every game can have the same marketing budget as a Sonic, Mario, Mickey or Donkey Kong.

I've gone way off topic.



Bet with Conegamer and AussieGecko that the PS3 will have more exclusives in 2011 than the Wii or 360... or something.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3879752

homer on 15 January 2011
DKHustlin said:

well they make the best games, hands down, so its really not a surprise


They make great games, but other developers rival their devs and ips imo.



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Lucas-Rio on 15 January 2011
homer said:
DKHustlin said:

well they make the best games, hands down, so its really not a surprise


They make great games, but other developers rival their devs and ips imo.


I totally disagree.



XanderZane on 15 January 2011
Lucas-Rio said:

That means that the Wii has a 75% marketshare on this market.


Probably. The Wii and DS has dominated the hardware sales market from Day One. They easily won this generation. Congrats to Nintendo. I suspect we'll see new consoles within the next 2 years.



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pearljammer on 15 January 2011
*Sound Of Rain said:
pearljammer said:

It may not be for you, and that's fine,  but it's patently false to call it a 'Shooter System' by any reasonable standard. Many of its games, including exclusives, come from a plethora of genres. Just so we're clear, are you refering to first-person shooters?

Secondly, why would you limit your view of an entire system to its exclusives?

Again, nothing is wrong with Shooters, I just don't prefer them. Yes, I am talking about 1st person Shooters.

I base it off of exclusives because thats one sets the systems apart from one another...if all systems had the same games...whats the point of 3 different systems then? Its just an opinion that 360 is crowded with Shooters and I recognize that it has other games too but its the system to buy if you are into Shooters.

 Perhaps this would be better off continued on our walls.