X360/PS3 games are $60, that's why I say $50-60. On wii, they're 50, on HD systems, they're 60.

The XBL marketplace for indie games has different pricing based on the size of the game. If it's less than $50, you can charge 80MSP, otherwise you have to charge at least 240MSP.

I'm glad you spent 20 hours on DKC:R, some people have spent more than 100 hours playing Farmville, and that's free. Much better ROI than Oblivion, I can't believe I bought that piece of junk...

I'm just saying, we don't know if Wii rules the genre, because so few (almost none) platformers are released on the HD systems on a Disc. If the game was 500MB, then it would be released as DLC whereas the Wii doesn't even have the choice because it would overfill the on-board memory. Limbo sold 300k copies in its first month, without having to press & ship DVDs. LBP was mentioned in the OP as a multi-million seller. Face it, MS and Sony would never allow NSMB, DKC:R, or Kirby on a Disc and it would be DLC. Less profitable = less marketing = less sales. I'm glad you like Nintendo charging you full price for something that woudl be $15 on XBLM, and apparently a lot of people are willing to pay that price.

What you're basically saying is, because of Mario, DKC, and Kirby, the wii dominates platformers and the HD consoles don't stand a chance. IMO, any Mario, DK, or Kirby game will sell millions because of nostalgia, 2D or 3D. As far as New/Other IP goes, check the posts above for sales and you'll see that there's nothing proving the Wii outperforms sales-wise. For me the problem is 1) ability to get the game on a Disc at full price, as LBP is the only one on the HD systems that comes to mind and 2) advertising for the game, which will only happen if the game gets on a Disc.

@KungKras  I see says the blind man, now I understand, you missed that whole 16 bit era. I gotcha man. I see where your coming from. I started gaming with nintendo and platformers where a dime a dozen, i played the greats (SOnic, Mario) the not so greats (Aero the acrobat) and everything in between. I see how you would like to want to have more 2d plats, but from my point of view, as a guy who has played a ton of them, im far less excited

So platformers is another case than other games, ok. He was talking about VC games, at least that is what I think. SMB could be beaten in 5 minutes, SMB3 in 11 minutes, SMB 2 in 10 minutes and super mario world in 9 minutes. Megaman games can be beaten in about 30 minutes, sonic 1/2/3 in less than 20 minutes. Zelda 1/2 in 30 minutes.

But none of that matters, since you clearly stated that a complete game requires to sell more than competing console's games on the same genre.

Yup, I missed it all, although the last few years, i started getting bored with modern gaming, and started reading up on everything I've missed, and today I own a Megadrive, a SNES, a Dreamcast, and a NES, with tons of games for all of them (among the consoles I got new of course), and have plans on getting a Master System and a Saturn.

Which makes me living proof against the argument that people only like old games because of nostalgia :D

But enough of that.

It's good that you can see why people would want these games then. After all, pure 2D platformers have not been made for almost two decades, which means a LOT of people haven't experienced them.

What surprises me is that you're still tired of those games after all these years. Although I wouldn't mind if most of the generic FPS games of this gen dissapeared forever, so I guess that's what it's like to live through a dominant genre.

i agree with everything freebs said

also, wii platformers are "50 - 60" they are 50 flat, wii games dont price like HD games do unless they have a pack-in. also, "being phenomenal" isn't some sort of concrete goal. you think LBP is phenomenal, while others think DKCR, SMG, or KEY are phenomenal. regardless, the sales of all the platformers mentioned show that wii rules the genre.

Probably because 90% of games from 1985 to 1999 were 2D platformers. 3D might have been the only thing you've played, but 3D games have been around for about 10 years and your sick of them (not 20 like you say). You can't even understand the point it got to where you would see a big budget game and be like 'oh boy, another 2D plat' on a scale where it's 100x more annoying than seeing a shoddy, low-budget FPS today.

FPS saved us from the 'A jumps and B shoots', games we played for 15 straight years. Also, it's more casual in the sense that those are the only two buttons, you don't need to know how to duck, strafe, change weapons, throw a grenade, etc. etc. During the PS2/Xbox era it became so difficult to play games, people felt like you needed a Ph.D. in video gaming just to touch the systems. That's the market the wii got, and so of course there's a lot more of the 2-button games on the system. When a GOOD 2D plat comes out, I'll play it, and the sales for those releases on PS360 show that anyone will buy it

@kungkras  its like bobbert said thats what you were playing back in those days. it was 90% 2d plats on consoles no FPSs, only SNES got any JRPGs but barely, no FPSs and a couple of fighters. Ive felt that ive played my fair share of 2d plats to last a lifetime. thats why I dont go gaga over NSMB it IMHO it doesnt do anything that differently than the other 10 2d mario games or plats in general ive played over the years. As for FPSs i long for the day when Halo and COD(which i do like) crash under their own weight. its good to see some young gamers appreciate the older games. I get so pissed when these little pukes disregard the old games cause it doesnt look cool