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KungKras said:
Wait, why is the thread starting to look like a bad idea?

Because the HD versions are proving more front-loaded, and likely aren't going to outsell the Wii version in Japan (despite lower pricepoints, more promotion/advertising, some actual brand awareness and a bigger userbase on one side and no censoring on the other). 



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psrock said:
Both GAMES bombed badly.

But why did it take 2 years for Nintendo fans to say it?

No More Heroes on Wii sold almost half a million. That is anything but "bombed".

 

My prediction: The PS3/Xbxo360 version will not sell 100.000 at all.



jarrod said:
KungKras said:
Wait, why is the thread starting to look like a bad idea?

Because the HD versions are proving more front-loaded, and likely aren't going to outsell the Wii version in Japan (despite lower pricepoints, more promotion/advertising, some actual brand awareness and a bigger userbase on one side and no censoring on the other). 

You forgot to mention releasing over 2 years after the Wii version.

And isn't the thread about first week sales?



                            

jarrod said:
Mr Puggsly said:

I don't think its fair to ignore the VC games. But if you must, lets just say the gen isn't over yet. They could add more games to the library that use the CC. Than you can officially agree the Wii CC is as practical as the PS2 BBA. What a stupid discussion we're having.

Tri sales outside of Japan is performing like I expected. Not horrible, not great. Perhaps it'll have good legs. Unless better core games steal sales... which is very unlikely.

In regards to FFXIV selling as well as Tri. Are you talking Japan only or world wide? I'm iffy about Japan, but the world sales of FFXIV will smash Tri.

100k+ in a week in NA is pretty great honestly, considering how hard a sell MH3 is when you get down to it (especially for the "Wii audience") and the sort of franchise legacy MH has in the west.  Frankly, I doubt it'd have done much if any better even as a 360 or PS3 game either.  Tri's pretty easily going to smash through Capcom's puny 500k expectation for the west, in fact it's probably going to more than double that.

In Japan, FFXIV literally has no hope of catching Tri in pure units sales.  And honestly, after the encouraging western debut, I think it's unlikely to match Tri worldwide as well.  Subsciprtion based console games just don't do that huge.

Well the expectations are always low for 3rd party Wii games, even a quality game like this is no exception. I'm sure MH3 could have performed better on HD consoles. Simply because its a core game and the HD consoles are popular for online gaming. Just an opinion, not worth debating.

When was a last time a subscription based online game hit consoles? The only major release this gen has been MH3. Also, FFXIV is gonna be on the PC as well. That's gonna steal potential PS3 sales. But ultimately, FFXIV will be much bigger than MH3.



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milkyjoe said:
Week 2...

PS3 - 3,150 (18,081 total)
360 - 1,755 (15,839 total)
Wii - 5,816 (17,519 total)

Already this thread is starting to look like a bad idea...


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Carl2291 said:
jarrod said:
KungKras said:
Wait, why is the thread starting to look like a bad idea?

Because the HD versions are proving more front-loaded, and likely aren't going to outsell the Wii version in Japan (despite lower pricepoints, more promotion/advertising, some actual brand awareness and a bigger userbase on one side and no censoring on the other). 

You forgot to mention releasing over 2 years after the Wii version.

And isn't the thread about first week sales?

No doubt.  Later releases always have an inherent disadvantage, even if that was NMH HD's only disadvantage (besides sloppy coding).

And the thread was about the games doing better ON 360 or PS3 than Wii.  Looks like that won't be happening though.



Mr Puggsly said:
jarrod said:
Mr Puggsly said:

I don't think its fair to ignore the VC games. But if you must, lets just say the gen isn't over yet. They could add more games to the library that use the CC. Than you can officially agree the Wii CC is as practical as the PS2 BBA. What a stupid discussion we're having.

Tri sales outside of Japan is performing like I expected. Not horrible, not great. Perhaps it'll have good legs. Unless better core games steal sales... which is very unlikely.

In regards to FFXIV selling as well as Tri. Are you talking Japan only or world wide? I'm iffy about Japan, but the world sales of FFXIV will smash Tri.

100k+ in a week in NA is pretty great honestly, considering how hard a sell MH3 is when you get down to it (especially for the "Wii audience") and the sort of franchise legacy MH has in the west.  Frankly, I doubt it'd have done much if any better even as a 360 or PS3 game either.  Tri's pretty easily going to smash through Capcom's puny 500k expectation for the west, in fact it's probably going to more than double that.

In Japan, FFXIV literally has no hope of catching Tri in pure units sales.  And honestly, after the encouraging western debut, I think it's unlikely to match Tri worldwide as well.  Subsciprtion based console games just don't do that huge.

Well the expectations are always low for 3rd party Wii games, even a quality game like this is no exception. I'm sure MH3 could have performed better on HD consoles. Simply because its a core game and the HD consoles are popular for online gaming. Just an opinion, not worth debating.

When was a last time a subscription based online game hit consoles? The only major release this gen has been MH3. Also, FFXIV is gonna be on the PC as well. That's gonna steal potential PS3 sales. But ultimately, FFXIV will be much bigger than MH3.

I think a big part in MH3's success is Nintendo's direct involvement, particularly in Europe.  Honestly, I doubt it'd have gotten the same sort of sweetheart deal from MS or Sony (if it had, Sony at least probably would've gotten it).  Maybe I'll be proved wrong with Frontier though...

Plus, more JP games tend to get overlooked or lost in the shuffle on the HD twins.  Part of MH3's success is that it's something of a standout on Wii, while on PS360 it'd be just another AAA 3rd party game.

 

The last big subscription based game I can remember was Phantasy Star Universe, which bombed pretty hard on 360.  Before that it was FFXI on 360, which also tanked.



jarrod said:
Carl2291 said:
jarrod said:
KungKras said:
Wait, why is the thread starting to look like a bad idea?

Because the HD versions are proving more front-loaded, and likely aren't going to outsell the Wii version in Japan (despite lower pricepoints, more promotion/advertising, some actual brand awareness and a bigger userbase on one side and no censoring on the other). 

You forgot to mention releasing over 2 years after the Wii version.

And isn't the thread about first week sales?

No doubt.  Later releases always have an inherent disadvantage, even if that was NMH HD's only disadvantage (besides sloppy coding).

And the thread was about the games doing better ON 360 or PS3 than Wii.  Looks like that won't be happening though.

The majority of the OP is this -

"No More Heroes sold 14K on each HD console. Not outstanding sales, but that's better than the Wii's 11K.

Its rather impressive considering the Wii has a much larger userbase, its an old game, and the Wii version is easy to find in a bargain bin."

The rest of it was about how it WOULD have sold better on the HD consoles. Which if they can (possibly) outsell the Wii version 2 years later, it's VERY likely they would have done 2 years ago.

"It also proves the point I said back in 2008, this game would sell better on HD consoles"

So no, i don't really see how this thread was a "bad idea".



                            

why the hell are people talking about FF14 here?



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Carl2291 said:
jarrod said:
Carl2291 said:
jarrod said:
KungKras said:
Wait, why is the thread starting to look like a bad idea?

Because the HD versions are proving more front-loaded, and likely aren't going to outsell the Wii version in Japan (despite lower pricepoints, more promotion/advertising, some actual brand awareness and a bigger userbase on one side and no censoring on the other). 

You forgot to mention releasing over 2 years after the Wii version.

And isn't the thread about first week sales?

No doubt.  Later releases always have an inherent disadvantage, even if that was NMH HD's only disadvantage (besides sloppy coding).

And the thread was about the games doing better ON 360 or PS3 than Wii.  Looks like that won't be happening though.

The majority of the OP is this -

"No More Heroes sold 14K on each HD console. Not outstanding sales, but that's better than the Wii's 11K.

Its rather impressive considering the Wii has a much larger userbase, its an old game, and the Wii version is easy to find in a bargain bin."

The rest of it was about how it WOULD have sold better on the HD consoles. Which if they can (possibly) outsell the Wii version 2 years later, it's VERY likely they would have done 2 years ago.

"It also proves the point I said back in 2008, this game would sell better on HD consoles"

So no, i don't really see how this thread was a "bad idea".

Well, besides the "much larger userbase" and "easy to find in bargain bin" comments being patently untrue (PS3 today has a larger userbase than Wii in 2007, and even used NHM Wii generally nabs a higher pricetag that the HD remix new), I'd say the thread past the OP, but it's pretty easy to read the implication there.  HD success, Wii failure.  When it reality, it's more failure for everybody. ;)

I also doubt the game would've done any better 2 years ago.  Console installed bases would be significantly smaller, there'd be no NHM brand awareness, higher pricepoints, and back in late 2007 pretty much everything seemed to bomb on HD.  Only matching the crusty old Wii version (at best) on the supposedly revitalized post-slim-PS3 userbase tells me Japan just wouldn't want NHM regardless of platform.  If/when NHM2 releases in Japan, it'll likely put up similarly pathetic numbers.

Honestly, I think the best chance for a port would've been an uncensored PSP rev.  It'd probably have matched PS3+360 1st week sales combined, and handily outsold the Wii original.  PSP really seems to be where the Otakus cluster, and that's mainly who this game appeals to in Japan...